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Thread: 10,000km tow test: D4 vs LC200, Munja Track

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobA View Post
    Our experience towing an AOR Q+ at 2500kg is we average 15.7 in level going and no headwinds. Same conditions an LC200 will use around 20l per 100km. Our figure includes a Rhino platform with space case, second spare and JC plus the odd bag of wood. GRR which is slower going add 2l per 100km for the D4.

    Last year from Mt Dare to Chambers Pillar we averaged 20l per 100km as it was very soft with plenty of bull dust holes to contend with as well. The LC200's travelling with us were hitting 30l per 100km

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    good to know, thanks Rob. We aren’t travelling with much on the roof, just max tracks and a rod tube so hopefully we’ll use a bit less than you did.
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    Lc200 motor is substantially larger and so is the transmission. Less technology and less performance but more robust. Size does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus1 View Post
    Lc200 motor is substantially larger and so is the transmission. Less technology and less performance but more robust. Size does matter.
    More robust? There are A LOT of 200's out there that are on their second motor, even 3rd, under 200kkm. Injectors and dusting being the major culprit.

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    The LC200 transmissions overheat easily due to TC slippage unless an after-market TC lock-up module is fitted which also significantly improves fuel consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    The LC200 transmissions overheat easily due to TC slippage unless an after-market TC lock-up module is fitted which also significantly improves fuel consumption.
    My brother has just had that (and some other go better stuff) done to his 200. Incredible improvement in economy, especially towing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobA View Post
    Our experience towing an AOR Q+ at 2500kg is we average 15.7 in level going and no headwinds. Same conditions an LC200 will use around 20l per 100km. Our figure includes a Rhino platform with space case, second spare and JC plus the odd bag of wood. GRR which is slower going add 2l per 100km for the D4.

    Last year from Mt Dare to Chambers Pillar we averaged 20l per 100km as it was very soft with plenty of bull dust holes to contend with as well. The LC200's travelling with us were hitting 30l per 100km

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    How odd. My old man did a lap 2 years ago and averaged ~17l/100 in his LC200 towing a 20ft 2.8T block of flats. Under the same conditions his LC200 uses about 1-1.5L more than my D3.

    While the LC200 is certainly more agricultural, I've done half the amount of Ks and been in the Workshop 9 times in 2 years while his has had routine servicing only. Horses for courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    How odd. My old man did a lap 2 years ago and averaged ~17l/100 in his LC200 towing a 20ft 2.8T block of flats. Under the same conditions his LC200 uses about 1-1.5L more than my D3.

    While the LC200 is certainly more agricultural, I've done half the amount of Ks and been in the Workshop 9 times in 2 years while his has had routine servicing only. Horses for courses.
    Here we go agaan

    I have Toyota’s and LR’s,and I know which one has more trips in for repairs and expensive maintenance costs,than the other.

    As for all these engine failures,all vehicles have their problems,the number of LC’s around far outweighs the number of LR’s around,the percentage that have these issues would be good to know.

    There are also numerous issues that can cause problems,and are not necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.

    The 200 is also at the end of its model run,and now the Hiace has been replaced is the longest model run in the line up,with the 70 series.

    It is due for replacement in the near future.

    As some guy from Toyota recently said in the media,the 200 hasn’t really got any major competition,the only competition is itself.

    Possibly a bit of arrogance there,but the sales figures talk for themselves.

    And FWIW,there are more LC200 sold each year than what LR sell total vehicles per annum,in Aus.
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    Either way, you'll have a ball - the Munja track was a highlight of our 14 week 20,000km "half lap" back in 2017. I can't remember specifically where we camped on the way in & out, but we spent a few relaxing days camped at Bachsten doing the local walks & shorter drives in the area. Nobody else around apart from the lovely caretakers at the camp.

    We were travelling solo in a 2014 D4 (myself, wife and 2x kids), loaded up and towing a Kimberly Kamper. I carried plenty of spares, but had no issues at all. Had to do the occasional bit of track building in the rougher sections, but all great fun...

    I was running 19" Maxxis 980's at 28psi front, 35psi rear and around 25psi on the trailer. We did get 1x nasty looking pinch in a front sidewall, but that tyre survived another 50,000km beyond Munja before being replaced with another set of Maxxis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victim View Post
    Either way, you'll have a ball - the Munja track was a highlight of our 14 week 20,000km "half lap" back in 2017. I can't remember specifically where we camped on the way in & out, but we spent a few relaxing days camped at Bachsten doing the local walks & shorter drives in the area. Nobody else around apart from the lovely caretakers at the camp.

    We were travelling solo in a 2014 D4 (myself, wife and 2x kids), loaded up and towing a Kimberly Kamper. I carried plenty of spares, but had no issues at all. Had to do the occasional bit of track building in the rougher sections, but all great fun...

    I was running 19" Maxxis 980's at 28psi front, 35psi rear and around 25psi on the trailer. We did get 1x nasty looking pinch in a front sidewall, but that tyre survived another 50,000km beyond Munja before being replaced with another set of Maxxis.
    That's good intel, thanks for that. I'm tempted to keep the D4's tyre pressures higher than that for the really rocky jump ups, given I'm also running Maxxis 980s in 19inch - just a bit wary of the sidewalls taking a rock through them at lower pressures. Obviously, I'll run them much lower on corrugations. The LC200 is running LT tyres but on 18s so he's got a bit more wriggle room than I have.
    Given we're loaded up near max GVM and towing a two-tonne trailer, I doubt I'll be able to go lower than about 32psi on the rears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMilner View Post
    That's good intel, thanks for that. I'm tempted to keep the D4's tyre pressures higher than that for the really rocky jump ups, given I'm also running Maxxis 980s in 19inch - just a bit wary of the sidewalls taking a rock through them at lower pressures. Obviously, I'll run them much lower on corrugations. The LC200 is running LT tyres but on 18s so he's got a bit more wriggle room than I have.
    Given we're loaded up near max GVM and towing a two-tonne trailer, I doubt I'll be able to go lower than about 32psi on the rears.
    They’re more likely to take a rock through them at higher pressures... I think the bigger risk is damage to the rims at lower pressures so it has to be a compromise.
    I’m running the 19” Maxxis as well and will run around 28 psi on the car, 25 on the camper. With the fabulous terrain response programming in the Disco we just need to keep the speed down and let it do all the work.
    Enjoy your trip. I’m jealous.
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