What happened to your D3/D4 today?

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Originally Posted by SimmAus

The brackets are very tight in the grille; tightening the lights to the bracket is a bit of trial and error (they do advise a torque measure), and deciding what “level” you want the light to shine at also.
The lights don’t move in situ, but haven’t been over rough corrugations.

The light beam only moves to the extent the car is bouncing…which is expected.

So far..very happy / impressed.

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Compared to spotties light bars are lighter and have a lower cog which is why they work using this method with minimal flex for all these methods that use a long horizontal tab. Spotties are too top heavy and need a very rigid mount a la bullbar.

I tried and it looks much better I think. The ideal solution would be to have a vertical bolt through the bumper. Like a rivnut

The child in me wants to move the round spotties up to the touring rack and go full Camel Trophy look.

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Nothing happened to my Disco 4 today but I did look at car sales while considering my next 4wd and all the options
holy crap they are worth nothing and I will be nearly giving away a 100k investment by the time purchase and mods are taken into account
how is such a fantastic vehicle worth so little?

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

Nothing happened to my Disco 4 today but I did look at car sales while considering my next 4wd and all the options
holy crap they are worth nothing and I will be nearly giving away a 100k investment by the time purchase and mods are taken into account
how is such a fantastic vehicle worth so little?

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It’s incredibly easy to get 5-10k repair bills and then the same again quite close and if you don’t know the ins and outs of these vehicles or done none of the major stuff at 250k kms it would be incredibly scary bottomless pit. Picking up a very cheap car you know you can sort out on the other hand is tempting.

There’s a reason 1hz 80 series LCs still get good money is complicated as an axe.

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

... how is such a fantastic vehicle worth so little?

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Because the costs of maintenance, repair and the complexity of parts are the same for a $20k 2013 D4 as they are for a $250k Defender Octa. And the 2013 D4 needs a lot more attention after 12 years.

Considering many of these are not an enthusiasts car but maybe the wife’s kid taxi and they are ringing up on the side of the road with a restricted performance message you can quickly understand how the love disappears when you meet Uncle Big Bill.

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Originally Posted by PerthDisco

Considering many of these are not an enthusiasts car but maybe the wife’s kid taxi and they are ringing up on the side of the road with a restricted performance message you can quickly understand how the love disappears when you meet Uncle Big Bill.

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Indeed. And for those who are comfortable in assessing and configuring such vehicles for genuine 4WD use, there is still the known unknown of the real condition of the engine. If the TDV6 was a "bullet proof" engine, D4s would command incredibly high used values.

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Originally Posted by DieselLSE;[emoji639

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There’s a known unknown of a head on crash also so I put it in that basket.

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Originally Posted by PerthDisco

There’s a known unknown of a head on crash also so I put it in that basket.

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Bit of a non sequitur there PerthDisco. That unknown is a function of being anywhere near a road. The TDV6 failures (from whatever cause) are impossible to detect or predict except perhaps by monitoring oil pressures and taking oil samples. Neither of which applies to assessing a used D4 no matter how well it was driven and serviced.

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Originally Posted by DieselLSE

If the TDV6 was a "bullet proof" engine, D4s would command incredibly high used values.

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The Lion TDV6 engine is not the only reason,there are many other reasons they have poor resale values.
Most European vehicles have poor to very poor resale values,same as virtually any LR product whether it has a Lion TDV6 or not.

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

Nothing happened to my Disco 4 today but I did look at car sales while considering my next 4wd and all the options
holy crap they are worth nothing and I will be nearly giving away a 100k investment by the time purchase and mods are taken into account
how is such a fantastic vehicle worth so little?

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We've been keeping an eye on the D4 market for a while now. Only really looking at the 2.7, and they seem to be going for ~$20k with less than 200,000 on the clock. I'd hate to be selling one, but for us it's a great time to buy. Now in the market for one for the Mrs.

I'd never recommend one to a mate, but having 8 years of the D3 under my belt I'm confident enough in being able to keep one running myself and she really, really wants one. The 3.0 is just too much risk for me though.