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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    Just duck down to ARB with an open cheque book,i am sure they will sort it for you....
    I’ll do it myself. The local ARB and I have a really good relationship spanning a couple of decades so I’m well looked after but wouldn’t use them for this sort of thing that’s for sure.

    Compliance of the D2 wasn’t too bad when I did that, so this change shouldn’t be too hard to get approved.

    I did some work for ARB on the LTRs for Defenders back in the day, as well as working with the OME team to change the specs of their springs for them to a more suitable set up. Was a great experience.

    Off topic further - their swag that I purchased 6 years ago had the webbing to the carry loop fail a few weeks ago. I now have a shiny new Swag The mass debate - I am sure it's been had before that’s great product back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJ View Post
    Ohhhhhhh the shed, the shed, don't get me started on the shedThe mass debate - I am sure it's been had before
    Tell me about it. I believe mine may have a floor somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Off topic further - their swag that I purchased 6 years ago had the webbing to the carry loop fail a few weeks ago. I now have a shiny new Swag The mass debate - I am sure it's been had before that’s great product back up.
    Following on,one of my brothers recently took back a faulty ARB tyre guage and a perished hose line that came with an ARB air compresser,both around 10 yrs old.

    They replaced both no questions asked.

    Yes fantastic customer service.
    Paul

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    I weighed my D3 a while ago, and when I got home, I started to add all my extra gear to the weight I had.
    Couldn't understand why I was so overweight!!!
    Then I realised, I had weighed it with everything in!!!! DOH!
    I was about 60kg under on the back and about 80kg under for the front, and I now have an Army No5 trailer which all my camping gear lives in, so the Disco weights are fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Oh heck, forgot some kit. I’ll edit my post


    Yeah - fill my Aux tank and GVM is done.
    I have an Engineer looking at a GVM upgrade using Armoured D4 parts.

    A couple of years ago I sent those guys an email asking about what bits were required to do a GVM upgrade on my D3 and a rough price.
    In the reply I received they tried to talk me out of it. I have been too busy to look back into it, but it's still on my to-do list though!
    Life is just a series of obstacles preventing you from taking a nap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJ View Post
    Anyway, sometimes perhaps it's better to leave sleeping dogs, or something like that, but I blame covid, too much time to ponder things.

    I recently decided to put in a set of drawers in the cargo area, so, out with the third row of seats ( -36kg) and in with the drawers (+46.7kg) but it got me thinking about the state of things and just what is the mass of the vehicle and all the "must take" things that seem to find a home inside the 5 doors.

    The local S&M place provided the first shock, (that's sand and metal for those of you who are acronym challenged), Front axle 1440, Total 2830 and by furious fingers and toes Rear axle 1390kg. Yep, a bit of a shock, I was expecting a fair bit less. that is a Kerb value (Driver + Full fuel tank) but still a far cry from the spec sheet. The car is detailed below but at the front there is an OL bar, 2 lights and second battery with associated hardware. When you consider the front axle maximum is 1450kg, I am at the limit. How does a winch work with these numbers. Wheels & tyres, GOE 18" and 255/60 R18 at 30.3kg each not a lot in it over the standard 20" with 255/50 R20 (yet to measure them) I would have thought. Other than that, a NAV screen, TPMS, CB and the already mentioned drawers, not a whole lot. If GVM is 3240 then I have 410kg to play with, (for the moment let's ignore the extra 100kg on GVM you are allowed if towing @ <100kph) lets say 200kg towball load from the van, most of which will end up on the rear axle and the remaining 200kg distributed in the cargo area and 2nd seat, opps, yeah the other half as well in the front, fortunately she doesn't read the forum or weigh much but I now have 140kg, so.........

    The stuff that gets a ride, recovery kit = 18kg, Air compressor = 12kg, Tool roll = 15kg, First aid box = 3kg, fridge (empty) = 22kg, when we travel with the van we have an inflatable boat and electric motor = 65kg, also take a water tank = 10kg and 80L of water = 80kg, roof platform = 40kg and sometimes spare fuel...........not necessarily all of this stuff every trip all of the time but I think I will quit while I am behind.

    Consulting the owners handbook, GVM = 3240, Front Axle = 1450, Rear Axle = 1855 (for my car), and because every ones car is different I am not going to get out the calculator here, it's just a discussion after all, but you can see not a pretty sight.

    So then I pondered the things I have previously considered, like fitting the winch that sits on the shelf in the shed, or for a while a long range fuel tank, never mind the fuel mass and it just doesn't add up, just food for thought.

    Peter
    Those drawers sound a bit heavy. My ORS aluminium ones are a lot lighter than that.
    What vehicle do you have BTW?

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    I have a Dec 2013 D4 HSE V6. The drawers and frame are aluminium, a few odd hardware bits made from steel but not much and the I specifically looked for light ones, certainly much lighter than the steel version, they are 900x900. Didn't see your brand, but too late now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Those drawers sound a bit heavy. My ORS aluminium ones are a lot lighter than that.
    What vehicle do you have BTW?
    Different set ups in a Def vs D4.
    Twice the slides, more metal.

    ORS list as below

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    Interesting how the laws can be got around by modding the GVM GCM b 4 rego. SIL's boss chopped a 200s after rego and had to do all the GVM uograde handling and safety tests..inc on a closed race track. Took him 12 months to sort the rego and cost @ 10k.

    His new 200s chop will be upgraded b 4 rego with a Lovells kit to GVM @ 4t and GCM of over 9t ..I think😞...anyway waay more than standard. More than his now sold truck and No safety swerve or braking tests required..and tow weight will be 4t.

    Edit: I checked and the Lovells kit he's using is more than what they usually supply..and chassis strengthening is done during the chop. Lovells effectively take responsibility for the safety aspects as a secondary manufacturer.


    Mmm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by INter674 View Post
    Interesting how the laws can be got around by modding the GVM GCM b 4 rego. SIL's boss chopped a 200s after rego and had to do all the handling and safety tests..inc on a closed race track. Took him 12 months to sort the rego and cost @ 10k.

    His new 200s chop will be upgraded b 4 rego with a Lovells kit to GVM well over 4t and GCM of over 9t ..I thinkThe mass debate - I am sure it's been had before...anyway waay more than standard. More than his now sold truck and No safety swerve or braking tests required..and tow weight will be 4t.

    Mmm..
    The companies authorized to do the upgrades upgrades prior to rego have done the required testing on one modified vehicle. No need to test each vehicle they from than on.

    Plenty of 200’s getting stretched with GVM upgraded to 4500 and 4500 towing.

    I guess there is a big rush before the 300 arrived.

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