D4 3.0 SDV6 catastrophic failure

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Originally Posted by scarry

Yer,yer,yer,whatever,i dont know who mentioned Toyota?

There many other brands around that also make some of the most reliable vehicles around you could rubbish.

Time to take those rose coloured glasses off.....[wink11]

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I think the point here, and the following posts, was that EVERYONE is wearing those glasses?

Last Thursday my Br in Law had his 8.5 yr old Mercedes Benz RV with 218,000 klms towed back from Conara (Tas) to Hobart by RACT. A loud bang and lots of smoke.....

Has a rod out the side of the block....literally!!
It (was) [bawl] the 2.1 litre (Sprinter??) turbo diesel engine.

Coincidentally, around this time last year the RACT towed him from Little Swanport back to Hobart with a failed auto transmission. That cost around $8500.00

Admittedly it is an ex Rental RV but I know the owner of the (Tas) Camper Rental Company and his vehicles are serviced religiously as per schedules... whatever intervals they are with a Merc.

I'd have thought a Merc engine would have lasted longer than that... they all give problems....

Imagine the pile on if LR had made/used an engine, that like the 'beloved' Ford Ranger's engine couldnt even self prime its oil pump and if you didnt do your oil change in less than 10 mins you could stuff it, if not noticed....

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Originally Posted by haydent

Imagine the pile on if LR had made/used an engine, that like the 'beloved' Ford Ranger's engine couldnt even self prime its oil pump and if you didnt do your oil change in less than 10 mins you could stuff it, if not noticed....

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......and the GU Nissan Patrol 4 cyl turbo diesel which would explode without warning. I know of 7 engines.

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Originally Posted by Discodicky

they all give problems....

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Correct,but it is well documented that some have more problems than others,not having a go at any brand in particular.
It is just a fact,it isn't BS or rocket science,it is just the way it is.

And as for the silly Ranger oil drainage design,we have had one at work for the last 4 years,and the engine has been fine,not so the rest,the AC has had continual failures,and they are yet to be fully resolved.Not much fun with the heat and humidity ATM.[bigsad][biggrin]

The guy down the road put his year and a half Colorado in for a service and they called him and said it needed a new Engine.It was back in a week all fixed.

But to post something like this," he puts in 1-2 litres of oil every 2-3000km and "does really good towing" - 22l/100km @ 80km/h"is complete BS,unless there is something horribly wrong with the vehicle.Or it is highly modded making it very heavy.

Just imagine the ruckus if LR built a vehicle that had a track around 100mm different front to rear...........[bigsad][biggrin][bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by veebs

I've seen the same, but give the owner a bit more credit - they KNOW the Toyota costs a fortune, but they are willing to pay it to be part of the 'club'. That club doesn't want to admit there is a problem (ie, they bought the wrong car), so it's easier to throw shade at other cars. The Nissan vs Toyota (and Holden vs Ford) mentality is strong...

In my experience, 90% of people have zero imagination at all - why so many drive the exact same car, live in the exact same house, etc etc.

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I tease my Tojo owning friends by saying they are accountant and lawyer cars for bland risk adverse people with no imagination and it upsets them greatly.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Correct,but it is well documented that some have more problems than others,not having a go at any brand in particular.
It is just a fact,it isn't BS or rocket science,it is just the way it is.

And as for the silly Ranger oil drainage design,we have had one at work for the last 4 years,and the engine has been fine,not so the rest,the AC has had continual failures,and they are yet to be fully resolved.Not much fun with the heat and humidity ATM.[bigsad][biggrin]

The guy down the road put his year and a half Colorado in for a service and they called him and said it needed a new Engine.It was back in a week all fixed.

But to post something like this," he puts in 1-2 litres of oil every 2-3000km and "does really good towing" - 22l/100km @ 80km/h"is complete BS,unless there is something horribly wrong with the vehicle.Or it is highly modded making it very heavy.

Just imagine the ruckus if LR built a vehicle that had a track around 100mm different front to rear...........[bigsad][biggrin][bighmmm]

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One of my brothers had the last of the Colorado. He is a mech and diesel fitter and has a lot of vehicle sympathy. His needed a replacement motor at about 40,000klm due to the amount of oil it was drinking. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

One of my brothers had the last of the Colorado. He is a mech and diesel fitter and has a lot of vehicle sympathy. His needed a replacement motor at about 40,000klm due to the amount of oil it was drinking. Cheers

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And he would have got one without jumping up and down and the blink of an eye, totally different to how some manufacturers handle engine failure ….

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

And he would have got one without jumping up and down and the blink of an eye, totally different to how some manufacturers handle engine failure ….

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Yep but I suspect owning a 4wd mod centre including tourers and comp trucks that helped. His Coly was emblazoned with his signage and had all the gear. He also did dealer fitting for the dealership where he bought the ute. I had a very poor warranty experience with a VT Commodore that I bought new on every component including warping brake rotors.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by scarry

Correct,but it is well documented that some have more problems than others,not having a go at any brand in particular.
It is just a fact,it isn't BS or rocket science,it is just the way it is.

And as for the silly Ranger oil drainage design,we have had one at work for the last 4 years,and the engine has been fine,not so the rest,the AC has had continual failures,and they are yet to be fully resolved.Not much fun with the heat and humidity ATM.[bigsad][biggrin]

The guy down the road put his year and a half Colorado in for a service and they called him and said it needed a new Engine.It was back in a week all fixed.

But to post something like this," he puts in 1-2 litres of oil every 2-3000km and "does really good towing" - 22l/100km @ 80km/h"is complete BS,unless there is something horribly wrong with the vehicle.Or it is highly modded making it very heavy.

Just imagine the ruckus if LR built a vehicle that had a track around 100mm different front to rear...........[bigsad][biggrin][bighmmm]

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Interesting you say that - a good friend with a 70 Ducal Cab tows a Topaz and gets 18's, still tops the oil up every 5k - asked its about 500ml on his. He tows aroung 90km/h
This is not uncommon at all on that V8 engine, nor is 20+/100 fuel burn. I see it regularly around here. Chatting to nomads in the caravan park 18-20 seems the normal burn with 2.5-3.0t in tow @80-85km/h


Whilst Toy Motor has a strong reputation for reliability - their 200 doesnt seem to have shared that trait, at least not globally - with some of "those" USA surveys ranking them in the bottom half of the SUV catagory. Events such as "shutting down without warning" (sound familiar [bigwhistle]) being one of the traits regularly reported.

Now that they have to produce EU5 spec diesels it will be interesting to see how reliable they remain, traditionally Japanese diesels have been lower tech, lower stress units as they avoided the high EU regulated markets.


Its not entirely rose coloured glasses (although I do like my LRs), I get enough drive experience in Fords, Toyotas and occasionally Nissans in 4x4 form to know I wouldnt own one, and that they all have the same issues.
I have more than enough Toyota owners as mates who for whatever reason - will spend a small fortune maintaining them / correcting issues - and then conveniently 'forget' they spent so much on their 'reliable' vehicle.

Then theres a good friend, who purchased a brand new 70 dual cab 3 years ago, a very Rose coloured glasses Toyoda loyal (Pastarolist) its had a gearboxe, a new transfer case and clutch.. and it still grinds and vibrates like crazy - absolutely terrible.
Toyoda has voided the warranty claiming fitting the Bullbar and suspension kit (fitted by Toyoda pre-delivery) has altered the driveline angles causing the misalignment and damage -I **** you not - its in the hands of courts and lawyers at the moment.
In the meantime its had to have a Starter, injectors and a new stereo. Its safe to say, he is no longer a Toyota buyer and is looking at all manner of alternatives for its replacement.

Mum, who likes her RAVs and always buys top spec ones, they have an easy life, we're talking vehicles that after 5 years have barely 30,000km on them but are serviced every 6 months - well theres been a few problems - saddest being Toyota wouldnt fixed the split leather on the front seats, claiming wear and tear.
Mechanical issues always were "not normal wear and tear" and they'd push hard to not warranty the repairs.
And their delaers are inept and find ways to circumvent the cap price services - like when they charged 4 hours labour to put the PIN into the stereo after the battery went flat - at the dealers - having been serviced.


All vehicles have their problems - LR owners tend to get frustrated by them - Toy Yoda owners tend to get alzheimers about them or treat them like Fight Club