Now we wait as well!

Trust is a funny thing. At the moment most of my trust in driving the vehicle is based on what my LR Indy has done and told me about with the new (2nd hand) motor g/box combo. There is an element of 'ostrich' trust as well (stick my head in the sand and hope it goes away type trust).

Like you though I love the way the vehicle drives and rides, the feel of the interior and the the way it makes me feel when I drive it. Whether it's on the road or on the beach or along some firetrails. It's a bloody good car, albeit with some idiosynchratic items, but what car does not have issues or hurdles to overcome? The alternatives for me are not palatable and that's where the conversation usually always comes back to with the Toyota or Nissan or Mitsi lovers. You makes your choice and enjoy it for what it is.

Well done Art. I’ve been fighting with JRA for over 12 mths with the same issue and no luck. Hopefully your thread might help with my argument. Looking at the history of these failures worldwide there should be no argument about replacing these engines when they fail. Mine also at 59k. **** poor I say.

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Still if you buy 2nd hand D4, buy it from a dealer who has first sold it and make sure all services are by JLR!

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What does buying from the original dealer who's done the service guarantee? From my knowledge of this problem it guarantees nothing as there is no clear pattern.

Really good to hear JRL coming to the party on this... whew eh? Sad to see that whether they do or don't is random... doesn't inspire any confidence.

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Not a good or fun position to be in.
One thing to consider - if you can get a new engine then you should end up with the modified parts, like the improved crank design, which Ford put into the F-150. Plus a new engine should come with a warranty. In this regard M005 probably won the lottery.

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DiscoDB - are you saying if you order a new 3.0 D4 engine from JLR you will get the one Ford has redesigned for the F-150?

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DiscoDB - are you saying if you order a new 3.0 D4 engine from JLR you will get the one Ford has redesigned for the F-150?

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If the statements by Ford about what they did to improve the engine for the F-150 are correct, then yes JLR was meant to have benefited from this according to Ford.

Quote from article on this:

During design, changes were made to common components that Ford shares with JLR's variants of the engine. "For example, we put many updates and tweaks important to the durability of the engine into the crankshaft line. JLR also received the benefit of those updates," Pumford told us. "Other parts of the Ford engine are entirely new, like the block, EGR system, and a different fuel system. Everything existing (in the older engine family) was modified for F-150."

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1...iesel-engines/

These changes were made for the 2018 F-150, so if the new engine was manufactured after this point you would hope it has the new improved crank design.

No guarantees on this given JLR could have also bought up all the old design engines that Ford won’t use, and now are effectively consuming this old stock.

All speculation - would be good if when the garages doing the work for Art and M005 could confirm when the “new” engines had been assembled.

I have no doubt that JLR know exactly which cranks they have used and what the true story is - but don’t expect them to give out this information.

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Thanks DiscoDB

Just had call from local dealer. JLR Australia has agreed to provide all parts free of charge and I pay for installation only. Circa $10 K assume. Still a big win outcome! I'm very grateful to JLR Australia as its all good will! Still if you buy 2nd hand D4, buy it from a dealer who has first sold it and make sure all services are by JLR!

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If the car has only done 60K km in 5/6 years and been fully serviced during that period, I would have expected the inclusion of installation as well as replacement under the fit for purpose warranty underpinnings, or am I missing something?

That’s my angle at the moment. 59k from such an engine Nowa days is not fit for purpose in my eyes. Especially given the history of these failures. Been at them for over 12 mths. Still living in hope. A David and Goliath fight I think.

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Sorry to hear this happened to you too, but glad you got a positive outcome too. I've been told the new LR Engine comes with a 12 month warranty, not sure why its not 3 years like they offered when the vehicle was new, but better than nothing and hopefully comes with modified parts.

Which dealer is your at?

@Birdboy - it seems that it is the 3.0 V6 that it happens too and doesn't matter whether it is in TDV6, SDV6 or RRS tune.

I'm tempted to ask if they can put a SDV6 tune on mine, given it's exactly the same engine in the MY15 D4's.

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Mine's at Brisbane City JLR.

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Have / do you have any issues with trusting the vehicle again?

I'm hoping that I can fall in love with it again and have 100% confidence in it, as I can't think of anything else I would want to drive instead without it feeling like a step down.

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Yeah M005, a bit concerned that if it happened once can it happen again! Still, I don't want to spend $100-$120k to get into a D5 or new Defender. I really like the D4. It suits me to a t.

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What does buying from the original dealer who's done the service guarantee? From my knowledge of this problem it guarantees nothing as there is no clear pattern.

Really good to hear JRL coming to the party on this... whew eh? Sad to see that whether they do or don't is random... doesn't inspire any confidence.

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I don't know why some claims are successful and others not? My guess is that having the dealer fight the case for you is important and if its one of their originally sold cars and always serviced by them then it carries more weight?