Thread: Now we wait as well!

Originally Posted by gavinwibrow

If the car has only done 60K km in 5/6 years and been fully serviced during that period, I would have expected the inclusion of installation as well as replacement under the fit for purpose warranty underpinnings, or am I missing something?

I don't know what was different between M005s claim and mine. Maybe level of mods? Service history differences? Which side we part our hair?

Originally Posted by Eric SDV6SE

Be aware that the main (i.e not the only reason) for crank/main bearing failure appears to be the long service intervals. 24000km on a synthetic 5w30 oil for a close tolerance, high torque diesel is too long in my opinion. 10000km max service intervals and using quality spec oil seems to help.

So a dealer serviced D3 or D4 would have had only about half the required oil changes.

Tdv6 or sdv6 D3 or D4 doesn't seem to matter.

I'm at 205k km still going strong ( touch wood) sdv6 se with mild tune and 10000km oil changes.

Agreed. I don't do many kms, so will get service every year which equates to 10k.

Originally Posted by Art

Agreed. I don't do many kms, so will get service every year which equates to 10k.

This is a good point - I presume it is 24,000kms OR 12 Months - so which ever comes first.

Most D4’s are probably averaging closer to 18,000kms a year and not 24,000kms.

Interestingly it used to only be Europe that this applied to, and the Rest of World was still 13,000kms or 6 months.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

Interestingly it used to only be Europe that this applied to, and the Rest of World was still 13,000kms or 6 months.

As is my D3 which has had 6 months at an average of 9,000 km since new.

While this is no doubt conservative for the bottom end it’s components like the turbo that benefit in the long run and maybe EGRs as I’ve got a long run out of them.

Originally Posted by Art

I don't know why some claims are successful and others not? My guess is that having the dealer fight the case for you is important and if its one of their originally sold cars and always serviced by them then it carries more weight?

Okay yes I see, that could well be true. Won't really help the bulk of us who don't have that provenance.

Originally Posted by DiscoDB

If the statements by Ford about what they did to improve the engine for the F-150 are correct, then yes JLR was meant to have benefited from this according to Ford.

Quote from article on this:

During design, changes were made to common components that Ford shares with JLR's variants of the engine. "For example, we put many updates and tweaks important to the durability of the engine into the crankshaft line. JLR also received the benefit of those updates," Pumford told us. "Other parts of the Ford engine are entirely new, like the block, EGR system, and a different fuel system. Everything existing (in the older engine family) was modified for F-150."

Deep Dive: Ford’s 1.5L and 3.0L Diesel Engines

These changes were made for the 2018 F-150, so if the new engine was manufactured after this point you would hope it has the new improved crank design.

No guarantees on this given JLR could have also bought up all the old design engines that Ford won’t use, and now are effectively consuming this old stock.

All speculation - would be good if when the garages doing the work for Art and M005 could confirm when the “new” engines had been assembled.

I have no doubt that JLR know exactly which cranks they have used and what the true story is - but don’t expect them to give out this information.

Interesting, thanks. No doubt JLR know exactly what's going on. Seems like what they're doing is counter productive to their brand... but I guess the bean counters have been hard at work and decided it's financially better for them to say noting and not own the issue.

F-150 changed or not I just don't think I could bring myself to fork out 40k for a new engine. It's a real conundrum this crank issue.

Originally Posted by nixo

Interesting, thanks. No doubt JLR know exactly what's going on. Seems like what they're doing is counter productive to their brand... but I guess the bean counters have been hard at work and decided it's financially better for them to say noting and not own the issue.

F-150 changed or not I just don't think I could bring myself to fork out 40k for a new engine. It's a real conundrum this crank issue.

Mine's a 15/16 3.0 D4 - and I agree with the conundrum. Problem is selling a vehicle with a pending $40k spend ($$ + time + angst)

My extended warranty expires in Feb 21 and I wonder if there's a tried and tested 3rd party extended warranty which may be good insurance?

Originally Posted by hiker

Mine's a 15/16 3.0 D4 - and I agree with the conundrum. Problem is selling a vehicle with a pending $40k spend ($$ + time + angst)

My extended warranty expires in Feb 21 and I wonder if there's a tried and tested 3rd party extended warranty which may be good insurance?

I got my D4 back! Its now got a new long motor installed. I asked about in what way it was upgraded from the original, and specifically if the crank was different and stronger, but was unable to get any specific info. Warranty is 1 year

I also have an extended warranty product called Zooper, but it of limiteded usefulness as max claim is $3k but you can get fixed price minor service for $330.

I'll certainly be getting the engine serviced regularly at 10k, or 1 year.