D5, Defender 110 or LC300

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I just can’t get over the lack of features for the price! Eeek

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That's standard Toyota practice (and other importers as well): one of the reasons people buy the grey import cars from Japan is that you get a higher spec for less money. Classic example is that apparently the Tarago sold in Australia was de-specced by Toyota Australia to save money, but wherever it wasn't obvious, like swapping in a cheaper rear suspension. It looked the same as the Estima and Lucida (the Japanese market versions) but it didn't have the same mechanical specification. And you couldn't get the 4WD versions at all.

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

I suspect that the loyal Toyota buyers will buy it regardless.

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Yep, rusted on buyers.

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

Interesting clip - he definitely raises some good points. I can’t believe that people think a new Defender is expensive! Some of the features (info system, camera - look horrible). And he says that it’s a horrible drive around town - which is where a lot of them live. He does say that it’s a good tow vehicle though.

I just can’t get over the lack of features for the price! Eeek

I suspect that the loyal Toyota buyers will buy it regardless.

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Yeah exactly. But I'm not sure he actually towed with it, but speculates that's what it would be good for.

Was quite amazed at the lack of space, especially in the back compartment when all the seats are up. Couldn't even fit a box of beer[emoji1]

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Originally Posted by Vern

Yeah exactly. But I'm not sure he actually towed with it, but speculates that's what it would be good for.

Was quite amazed at the lack of space, especially in the back compartment when all the seats are up. Couldn't even fit a box of beer[emoji1]

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I drive a MY22 90 - the rear seat room is huge compared to the 2nd row in the 300 Series. My boot is about the same size as the 300 with those 3rd row seats - but I knew that when I bought it.

He also mentions that it is a horrible drive - I absolutely love my 90. It’s a brilliant drive.

I also own numerous other Landy’s - I am both old/new school.

Go the Defender - you won’t be disappointed.

This one might be interesting as well,i havent looked at it,but generally these guys are not too bad.

2022 4X4 Of The Year: Winners crowned | 4X4 Australia - YouTube

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

And he says that it’s a horrible drive around town - which is where a lot of them live. He does say that it’s a good tow vehicle though.

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Yet i have seen a couple of reviews that say the drive train is fantastic for towing,but the suspension isnt that great and needs mods to be a good tow vehicle.

Could be some models have a different suspension set up to other models,which is no surprise.

It also boils down to different peoples ideas,and what they like.

If we were all the same,it would be boring[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by scarry

This one might be interesting as well,i havent looked at it,but generally these guys are not too bad.

2022 4X4 Of The Year: Winners crowned | 4X4 Australia - YouTube

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Hmm - typical review “you can’t get the after market gear for a Defender”.

True - it isn’t as easy to get it, BUT there is already and Australian designed and built bar for it. And there are numerous other companies bringing stuff out (wheels, lights, lift kits, etc)

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Originally Posted by scarry

This one might be interesting as well,i havent looked at it,but generally these guys are not too bad.

2022 4X4 Of The Year: Winners crowned | 4X4 Australia - YouTube

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I dunno about that, I know one of the judges, he's a land rover nut[emoji1]

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Originally Posted by Vern

I dunno about that, I know one of the judges, he's a land rover nut[emoji1]

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Would he be the one wearing the Land Rover t-shirt?

D5 or Defender? If you’re coming from a D4 I’d be interested in your opinion on driving position / view comparison.

For me..the D5 driving view / position is more aligned with the D4…I felt the side views/windows on the defender felt cramped in comparison.

Off-road capability…I haven’t seen any real difference between the two (happy to be proven wrong) and the D5 has more storage space….

However, the D5 rear does take some getting used to….

It’s a nice position to be in, shopping for a new car, I’m looking at keeping my D4 running a few more years…

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Originally Posted by grey_ghost

Hmm - typical review “you can’t get the after market gear for a Defender”.

True - it isn’t as easy to get it, BUT there is already and Australian designed and built bar for it. And there are numerous other companies bringing stuff out (wheels, lights, lift kits, etc)

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But, bull-bars aside, the issue with LRs is that you don't need a lift kit because of the EAS, you don't need diffs or lockers because of the electronics that are built in, and so on ... I think the main reason some people buy other 4WD brands is so that they can stick onto them stuff that should've been standard in any case.