Thread: D5, Defender 110 or LC300

Originally Posted by Bulletman

I would quite happily sit in a 4.4 v8 diesel RR and cop whatever grief people would throw at me and take it all with a big smile on my face.

If your going to cop grief anyway for being in anything other than a LC why not cop it in something like a RR

Bulletman

OK, so you made me look but even my friends would give me grief if I bought one!
Can I get it with a bull bar and winch? No use to me without!
Can't find a 4.4 v8 diesel - just a 3.0 v6 - mind you that's got more than enough grunt for my needs.

Originally Posted by trout1105

Caterpillar, GM, 4.5l toyota.
All diesels and All robust long lasting engines,

...... and the V8 in the (was) American International Harvestor dozer. Re-named Dresser after the takeover and laterly DRESSTA now built in Poland, but the later TD20's (an absolute icon in the bulldozer field) had the straight 6 Cummins engine.

Nothing wrong with the V8 Navistar engine.

Re the V8 'cruiser. Yes, it seems to be an ok engine now they've fixed the chronic oil consumption and injector problems it initially had, but when you think of its size/horsepower, it's a very lazy/thirsty slug of an engine and not hugely impressive in terms of performance and torque for 4.5 litres.

As an example V8 Audi/VW/Porsche engine puts out far more impressive power/torque/less emissions for much less cubic capacity.., and as far as I'm aware they have proven to be reliable.

Originally Posted by Bulletman

I would quite happily sit in a 4.4 v8 diesel RR and cop whatever grief people would throw at me and take it all with a big smile on my face.

If your going to cop grief anyway for being in anything other than a LC why not cop it in something like a RR

Bulletman

Absolutely. Mine was a 3 yo and had only done 18K kms when I bought it.

I should re phrase my comment regarding "V" diesels.

Name 3 "high output" reliable "V" diesels.

So forced induction and intercooled.

In the ball park of 55 - 65kw per 1000cc's.



I know of a number of ok, low output N/A diesels, it's when they are made to perform they fall over.

So what this means is low revving, thirsty, low output diesels are ok.

The VDJ falls into the low output section even though turboed and intercooled, as it is reasonably low output by todays standards per cc.

For E.G. lets take the 2.0l 2017 Amorak, 132 kw,

At that rate, the 4.5 VDJ would need to put out just under 300kw to be considered a similar high output engine...

No doubt they can, but how reliable would they be, Toyota would never let them out the factory like that for sure.

(I'm not suggesting the Amarok is reliable!)


All diesels made today essentially need to be high output for 2 reasons, no one will put up with low output and the fuel use! And they would struggle to meet emissions targets.

I know the 4.5 is still used in the 70's but I'm guessing emissions will get them in the end.

And lets not get onto the Ford Powerjoke.

No doubt there are some V's that are ok, but the hit rate would a full length of the straight behind an inline 4 or 5 or 6.

Cheers
James

SD6 in D5 2019 - 2021 225 kw out of 3 litres
6.7 litre ford V8 - 354 KW
4.0 litre Audi V8 - 320 Kw

Seems to be a direct correlation between cost & power

for example $8000 on Toyota V8 gives you 230 kw with 900 nm - ARMAX product which warranty's motor for original warranty period.

Got a mate with a 3yr old Jeep Cherokee with the V6 diesel.
He just sent me some literature from Jeep re their new STRAIGHT 6 twin turbo diesel.
Over 500 hp.
Seems nearly everyone is going to the inline 6 these days.

Originally Posted by Discodicky

Seems nearly everyone is going to the inline 6 these days.

There's a reason..about every 15 years we learn that diesel V's are problematic and we go away from them again.

I have a 2010 D4 which I brought new. Its now at 252,000klm it has never left me stranded, yes its had problems however it has been a workhorse doing an awesome job. I never thought much of the D5 I looked but never felt inclined to buy one.
I also have a 2008 L322 TDV8 now that is one hell of a car. I am really surprised at how similar it is to drive compared to the new Defender. I am talking about around town and highway cruising. And that TDV8 3.6 is a bloody gem.

I started the hunt for a new tow vehicle the LC200/300 idea was dumped straight away. You need to spend thousands of dollars to make either anywhere near capable. I tried a Y62 it drove well but again money needs to be spent on them. Dealer networks I think people are kidding themselves on what they think can be fixed in remote area's and modern 4x4 will be stuck for parts if it breaks. The bad part for Toyota owners you will be stuck in some small crappy town. Land Rover will recover your car to a Dealer in a nice town.

I drove a D300 Defender I loved the drive but I was unimpressed with the engine.
I drove a P400 Defender that is one hell of an engine

My pick a P400 S 110 I have ordered one I picked the S because I could get a P400 at reasonable price.

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