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    A/C now working properly

    The a/c is finally working properly, with evap temp hovering between -0.5 and 0 deg on temp setting Lo, fan on max and engine up to 3000 rpm and the pressure reaching 180 psi. I had earlier wriggled the pressure sensor connector and wires where there must have been a contact issue. With temp set to 21 deg and middle fan speed, the evap temp rose to 7-8 deg, but began dropping again when the temp was set back to Lo.
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    Low side pressure of 350PSI means something is drastically wrong.

    If you can con the AC guy to give it a good vac and put in the exact amount of R134a all should be good.
    As long as the dryer is the same size as the original,sometimes if it isn't the measured weight can be not quite correct.

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    The condenser with attached dryer that is a copy of the original was fitted and since then the low side pressure has always been lower than static when the system is cooling, so that 350 psi situation is now history.

    Unfortunately the good working system was short-lived. I think there is a wiring issue, possibly with the connector next to the battery in which the a/c wires from the engine harness are located. Alternatively there could be an issue with the engine fan for which I haven't yet found the actual speed in the Gap tool, only the commanded duty cycle although I haven't moitored it yet as I keep loosing my live value selections when I try to save the selection. I also have yet to connect my little scope to the compressor valve feed to confirm that the ATC is no longer sending a high duty cycle signal trying to open the valve once the system stops cooling.

    Unfortunately or otherwise its too windy for me to get back to my urgently-needed weed spraying, so I'll keep at it for another hour or so.
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    Unfortunately the ATC module is supplying full battery voltage to the compressor control valve, excepting for regular short intervals of approimately 5% duration of 0V. This, with the observed high-side and low-side gauge pressures, means that the control valve isn't increasing the compressor capacity as required by the ATC module. The valve must be increasing capacity slightly as some pressure increase is observed along with slight cooling at the evaporator, moreso as engine revs are increased.

    The ATC power to the control valve ceases whilst ever the pressure sensor connector is unplugged, but resumes immediately the connector is refitted. The ATC power to the valve is unaffected if the engine fan's connector is unplugged.

    Hopefully we can arrange to have the system thoroughly flushed to clean it out without removing any components.

    Edit: I'll try switching the a/c on and off at higher engine revs to see if the bursts of higher pump volume can dislodge any contamination of the valve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Edit: I'll try switching the a/c on and off at higher engine revs to see if the bursts of higher pump volume can dislodge any contamination of the valve.
    My experience with VW control valves is once they're done, they're done. The valves have fine screens on the inlet side. If stuff has gone in there to jam the valve, then it's done.
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    These valves have a screen around the outside but the symptoms don't indicate to me that the screen is permanently almost fully blocked.

    Switching the a/c on then off with revs eventually caused pressure to build, up to 210 psi around 3000 rpm but easily 180 psi 1500+ rpm. However going up and down in revs would eventually cause pressure to drop right back and evaporator temperature rise indicating that the valve was no longer being opened, but it was quite easy to get pressure again. I'll have another stint later to see if I can clear whatever is causing the pressure fault.
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    Can you just remove the valve on the compressor and make it run flat out. I purchased an old jaguar a few weeks back, its A/C wouldn't work (it was quite weird, if I grabbed the high side it was burning hot .... and the suction side was hot rather than cold.... bizare... I figured the compressor must be cactus. Anyway I put a message on the jaguar forum before I started spending $$$$ and was rewarded with the longest bloody diagnostic post I've ever seen on the cars ventilation. At the bottom of it was this

    http://www.jagrepair.com/images/TSB/...fficiently.pdf

    Its a scroll type compressor and jaguar themselves must have realised the efficiency valve/crap on it.... was well crap. So I dumped the gas and asssembled the "efficiency" valve backwards as suggested, dumped some hychill in it and was rewarded with freezing cold A/C. So i went from thinking thousands for a repair to pocket change for a squirt of hychill

    The more modern a car, the more crap it is when it comes to "efficiency"/pollution crap that doesn't work and breaks

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    Thanks for the suggestion and link. However the solenoid valve LR06164 is a sealed unit that is retained by a circlip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    http://www.jagrepair.com/images/TSB/...fficiently.pdf

    Its a scroll type compressor and jaguar themselves must have realised the efficiency valve/crap on it.... was well crap
    No, it's a suction pressure activated valve and perhaps Jaguar found their implementation was crap so they put out a TSB to bypass it. In all honesty they probably ripped it off from GM who had been doing it badly for years. It's almost essential to prevent evaporator freezing under low load.

    The original concept was the compressor displacement would operate to maintain a constant low side (suction) pressure. This would provide a constant evaporator temperature at whatever was required to keep it cold enough and not freeze. The world finally figured out this method was ****, so manufacturers moved to a more complex (and expensive) evap temperature sensor that went through a pile of electronics to then drive a displacement valve (solenoid) to modulate the compressor displacement.

    They would not have moved to an electronic control if the in-compressor method was workable. So your car got caught in the bit "in between". It's not relevant to any electrically modulated vehicle. Full stop.
    Last edited by BradC; 9th March 2026 at 10:27 AM.
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