Thread: To buy or not to buy?

If you are worried about resale value - do not buy a Range Rover

If you buy one new, you will reduce your wealth by a large amount very quickly. It matters very little about new models etc.

If you want a RR and you buy a Disco, you will always be wishing you got the Rangie. It's like buying a Boxter when you really wanted a 911.....

I dont know about the Boxter to 911 analogue - lets face it the D4 has lifted to where in HSE for example there is nothing between them interior wise and platform wise the D4 is more advanced and resolved. As for off road its the D4's domain, so its down to goodies and on road handling (in which there cant be much)...I am genuinely keen to know where the RR appeal is these days - is it the look, badge or the last few goodies that the D4 HSE doesnt have and if so which goodies are they? Or is it just simply the aura that Clarkson goes on about noting that if you get the D4 you will still secretly pine for the RR (he says the same about owning a Sport versus the Full Fat RR) - unless of course you have 4 or more kids in which case of course you wouldnt feel better taking the family in the RR cause one has to sit at home...

Cheers

Don’t agree. The D4 HSE has lifted to where the L322 was a couple of years ago – and D4 platform more advanced than new RRV - rubbish???? The D3 was technically more advanced than the L322 when it was first released, but only for about 12 months. And during that time there was nothing D3 could do that L322 couldn’t (except carry 2 extra people). You just had to press a few buttons in L322 instead of turning a single dial, for that short time the D3 had an extra gear + more power and torque as the PSA 2.7 TDV6 out did the older BMW 3.0TD6 by about 10%. After touring in both My L322 and My brother's HSE D3, both of us agree the early L322 is a nicer place to be and just as capable even without the dial.

Go and drive a new Vogue - it’s a step up over the RRS and D4 – it’s like going from a 5 series to a 7 series BMW, but in saying that, I’m not sure it’s worth double – the L322 definitely has a limo feel to it especially from a passenger’s perspective and it’s bigger. The RRS / D4 has a sportier, firmer feel - some prefer that, some don't - personally I have a sports car for a sporty feel. L322 is more comfortable, space, chairs and ride. Granted that the L322 is now more road oriented than ever (most 4x4s don’t leave the tarmac while owned by the 1st owner – and that stat includes LRs – there is a lot of mum piloted D3s & D4s at the private schools around here) so if you’re planning on getting out and using the LR (and this is a big point) D4 definitely has a huge advantage of aftermarket accessories and importantly tyres. However that 4.4 with the 8 speed ZF is nice...

I personally wouldn’t swap my L322 for a new TDV8 for the reasons just mentioned – ours does venture off road, nor would I have a D4 – I personally don’t like them. If I was to buy new now, I would look seriously at a 4.2tdi (gen 2) Touareg (if the 2010 V10 is anything to go by) – even thought they are a bit smaller, but that’s not going to happen because I love our L322….

End of the day it’s your coin (and a lot of it) buy something you will love for your intended usage, if you’re concerned about depreciation then don’t buy either, especially the RRV.

Now - where's Drivesafe, Tim will no doubt have ago

Originally Posted by harlie

Don’t agree. The D4 HSE has lifted to where the L322 was a couple of years ago – and D4 platform more advanced than new RRV - rubbish???? The D3 was technically more advanced than the L322 when it was first released, but only for about 12 months. And during that time there was nothing D3 could do that L322 couldn’t (except carry 2 extra people). You just had to press a few buttons in L322 instead of turning a single dial, for that short time the D3 had an extra gear + more power and torque as the PSA 2.7 TDV6 out did the older BMW 3.0TD6 by about 10%. After touring in both My L322 and My brother's HSE D3, both of us agree the early L322 is a nicer place to be and just as capable even without the dial.

Go and drive a new Vogue - it’s a step up over the RRS and D4 – it’s like going from a 5 series to a 7 series BMW, but in saying that, I’m not sure it’s worth double – the L322 definitely has a limo feel to it especially from a passenger’s perspective and it’s bigger. The RRS / D4 has a sportier, firmer feel - some prefer that, some don't - personally I have a sports car for a sporty feel. L322 is more comfortable, space, chairs and ride. Granted that the L322 is now more road oriented than ever (most 4x4s don’t leave the tarmac while owned by the 1st owner – and that stat includes LRs – there is a lot of mum piloted D3s & D4s at the private schools around here) so if you’re planning on getting out and using the LR (and this is a big point) D4 definitely has a huge advantage of aftermarket accessories and importantly tyres. However that 4.4 with the 8 speed ZF is nice...

I personally wouldn’t swap my L322 for a new TDV8 for the reasons just mentioned – ours does venture off road, nor would I have a D4 – I personally don’t like them. If I was to buy new now, I would look seriously at a 4.2tdi (gen 2) Touareg (if the 2010 V10 is anything to go by) – even thought they are a bit smaller, but that’s not going to happen because I love our L322….

End of the day it’s your coin (and a lot of it) buy something you will love for your intended usage, if you’re concerned about depreciation then don’t buy either, especially the RRV.

Now - where's Drivesafe, Tim will no doubt have ago

Thanks for your insightful perspective Harlie. You have definitely given me food for thought. After reading your post I am starting to lean towards going for a D4 for the time being, and wait for the all new MY2013 RRV to come out. 3 reasons:

Firstly - I will be going off road in it and you're right, damaging brand spanking new L322 would be a bit painful (I did that shortly after buying my D3 when it was new).

Secondly - after market tyres (although one is still rather limited as 17" rims don't fit on the 3.0 D4)

Thirdly - resale (for me this is still a important consideration), especially as the L322 is due for replacement soon.

I know what you mean by prefering a limo feel. I have a BMW 135i and frankly I find the ride a bit tedious over any long distance. Certainly fun for a fang, but commuting in a go cart is not nice. I have never driven a RRV, but I think my D3 does a good enough job at absorbing bumps. My dad has a 2010 RRS and I'd say the ride is perhaps slightly more sporty than the D3, plus the Disco beats it off road.

Actually that Clarkson review is quite good - here is part of it (the unemotional bit):

Jeremy Clarkson Land Rover Discovery*4 3.0 TDV6 HSE review | Driving - Times Online



"And what exactly does the Range Rover have that the new Discovery does not? They have the same off-road gubbins, and the Disco has — for an extra 600 quid — the same brilliant command system, which means five exterior cameras feed images of what they see to the screen on the dash. You can choose which feed you want to look at, and even zoom in on things you find interesting.

The idea is that you can spot obstacles as you drive off-road, but it’s huge fun to switch between the images as you drive on road, making your own movie. It gets better. It’s possible, through mind-boggling technology, for the passenger to watch a DVD while the driver — looking at the same screen — sees the sat nav map. How brilliant is that?

Yes, the Range Rover has a V8 engine, but the Disco, with its new V6, is only 0.4sec slower to 60. And that doesn’t seem like £17,000-worth of lost oomph to me.

It used to be that the Range Rover felt more of a luxurious car. Not any more. With its hand-stitched leather and “mood” lighting, the Disco is just as palatial, and you have exactly the same imperious driving position. The conclusion, then, is simple. If you want a go-anywhere luxury car, buy the Discovery 4. "


Then he goes on to say that the RR FF still feels better and you would drive the Disco and think, gee I wish I had got an RR (I cant see it myself, cause i have been in a few..but thats the Clarkson emotive side).


Anway, interesting none the less, and taking out the defensiveness of those with RR's (who have paid quite a bit more for them) they are very close but as said if its off road you want that tips the balance quite quickly.

Cheers

Thanks for the link. And thanks for the advice guys. Clarkson is always an entertaining, if not informative read.

I think I have now made up my mind. I'm going for a D4 for now and upgrading to the all new RRV in perhaps 4 years time.... that is if my financials are ok at that time

Just couldn't justify the spend on a soon to be superceeded model, although that 700nm TVD8 and 8 speed ZF is very tempting.

Hmmm, now why can't I get a Almond/Aribica interior with a Baltic Blue exterior?