Reply With QuoteNot going to get into an arguement about the DO's & DONT's of spacers as Andrew asked. Would like to be able to see before & after photo's tho
Gary
When armed with "because I didnt like how it looked" as the key argument for fitting them....Originally Posted by B92 8NW
I've seen them fail - on a Toyota... Wasnt pretty...Personally I wouldn't fit them unless I could be absolutely assured of their strength and reliability,
An Engineer friend of mine ran the numbers on the additional forces they place on the hub, bearing, bolts etc.... Its quite a difference actually. (I will concede that In this case being 30mm probably not so bad)
This can be highlighted by bearing and seal life on vehicles running wide offset.
Bullbar - Compliant and approved (some aren't though)but they're simply one of hundreds of mods that make your vehicle more dangerous to yourself and other roads users as well as unroadworthy... Like bullbars, oversize tyres, lifts.
Oversize tyres - In most cases can be engineer approved / certified
Lifts over 50mm - Must pass stringent testing to become approved / certified
Spacers - Can not, and will not get certified in Australia.
So lets add to them another vehicle? Its this kind of thinking that creates a mob.. Or destroys an area...Eg... Its only 1 piece of litter, who's going to notice...Also bear in mind all the other idiots on the road, plebs in 400,000km Commodores with failed brakes, tyres, shockers etc... these are the people who will risk you and your families' lives!!
I'd love to be a cop... No illegal vehicle would get past
Andrew - If you wanted more offset - Do it the legal way please mate...
Go buy some 25mm (extra) offset rims....
Whilst it is unlikely anything will go wrong - you have introduced another failure point to the vehicle - and voided your insurance coverage.
And made yourself extremely liable in the event of an accident...
Wizard
SubscriberNot going to get into an arguement about the DO's & DONT's of spacers as Andrew asked. Would like to be able to see before & after photo's tho
Gary
Wizard
dont know why but the pics do appear on my screen.
I fitted them to increase the track, which would increase stability - in theory, and also steering lock. I was origionally after some 9 inch wide rims, but they are a bit hard to come by.
I didnt want to go into a discussion about legal issues, but here is my 2c.
rovers use 14 or 16mm studs compared to toyota and nissans 12mm.
rover wheel bearings are well and truely over engineered, and when properly maintained should last almost forever. I dont think i ever changed them in my county, just re-packed and adjusted and that was over 200K.
i have my cars on the hoist every 2nd week for one reason or another (sometimes its just because there is a hoist there), and keep a constant monitor on bearings and bushes.
Spacers in my opinion use the origional studs, or longer studs. yes these should be illegal as they are dangerous.
Adaptors, are a machined round block bolted on using the origional studs. It has its own new studs which the wheel is then bolted to. They are also a snug fit on the center hub, and also on the inside of the rim, making them perfectly concentric, eliminating forces on the wheel studs. I had to spend 5 minutes on the lathe to get this right. I have spoken first hand to more than one person with engineering certificates for this, bit it is classed as an adaptor, not spacer.
Offset rims, unless factory made, would not be anywhere near as strong, also not load rated to 1400kg or what ever the rangie ones are.
This is a much safer way of increasing your track than flipping or offsetting under-rated discovery rims, or using aftermarket rims that don't fit snug on the center hub.
Heres another list of mods performed every day and spoken about on this forum that would not be perfectly legal, and in some cases, more dangerous.
Suspension lifts
tyres larger than 15mm of the origional size
EGR removal
Chipping without emisions testiong
more than 2 after market lights
dashboard modifications
seat modifications
srs airbags over 10 years old
HID lights
22inch wheels.
any aftermarket wiring not installed by an auto elec (explain that one to your insurance company after your car has caught fire).
I'll have another go at the pics.
after
before
not as extreme as some are making out, eh?
Andy
(going back out to fit my winch, while welding spikes on my bullbar)
Last edited by andrew e; 4th January 2012 at 02:56 PM. Reason: unclear.
Wizard
not poking out past the guards.
Moderator
Sheesh, why the hard time ?
Andrew stated upfront he knows the score.
Funny thing is that they are often TUV approved in Europe, and we thought they are over-governed
Swaggie
Not to mention the strong possibility of a charge of dangerous operation of a vehicle. Should there be injury or death from the incident the the charge of dangerous operation causing grievous bodily harm/death.thankfully you didnt include the pics.
dont...
spacers arent legal and if something goes wrong and you have an accident and the vehicles handling can in any way be attributed to the cause you loose your insurance coverage.
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That was my exact point. If a person was in their family car with their family and failed to give way, as an example, and as such I t-boned them in my D1, I'm sure they rather I did so in standard guise than with my certified, ADR compliant ARB winch bar which is going to make a hell of bigger mess of their car. It could easily be the difference between dead children in the back seat or survival, it's mere compliance with regulations doesn't make it any safer. Similarly I wouldn't be able to absolve myself of the guilt by simply saying "Ahh well doesn't matter, my bar is legal, they should've given way".
People have opted for comp-style bars on this very forum fitted to D2s that have no airbag compatibility or destructive testing.
As I said earlier, I'd unlikely ever fit adaptors to my Rover, it's just curious the reaction they get vs. other safety critical modifications that Andrew E has mentioned that most seem to turn a blind eye to.
I'd also bet London to a brick that 99% of all Cruiser/Patrols with 4-6 inches of lift don't have engineering certificates, despite these things being certifiable.
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