Marty
Have you had the codes read ?
I would check inlet and exhaust manifolds for leaks and replace the fuel filter in the first instance. If no better then may be looking at probably the camshaft position sensor codes read. Just my 2 cents
Laurie
Hi There,
2003 FFRR, 4.4 V8 N/A Ok so have a few issues in regard to the engine running, here are the issues as they happen, starting from cold
1.On start up the engine starts, revs rise and then fall sharply, sometimes the engine revs recover however the engine sounds a bit lumpy, other times the engine dies and has to be restarted.
2.On occasion, when I accelerate the engine (still cold) it seems a little unresponsive and on occasion I can hear a small amount of popping / backfiring which I can only assume is in the inlet manifold or the air filter.
3.When warm the engine always starts and revs normally, however on occasion will be lumpy, doesn't really sound like a misfire, sounds like the engine is running to rich, if I blip the throttle sometimes the engine comes good, other times it make take a short drive or a couple more blips of the throttle to fix things.
What have I done?
Replaced the plugs
Tried a couple of spare ignition coils I have with little or no effect, possibly got a bit worse.
Replaced all the small bore rubber tubing with silicon tubing.
Had the engine scanned and found a misfire on 1, 2 & 7 cylinders, when the engine is running nice there does not appear to be a misfire.
Engine light is NOT on.
Suggested issues by others,
Faulty injector(s)
Tired fuel pump (what is the pressure at the fuel rail on the engine meant to be?)
Blocked fuel filter
Open to other pearls of wisdom.
Cheers Marty
Marty
Have you had the codes read ?
I would check inlet and exhaust manifolds for leaks and replace the fuel filter in the first instance. If no better then may be looking at probably the camshaft position sensor codes read. Just my 2 cents
Laurie
2010 TdV8 Autobiography, D2 Td5, RRC 4 Door VM/300Tdi, RRC 2 Door V8
Hi Laurie,
I did have the codes read and that came back with a misfire on cylinders 1,2 & 7, I think intermittent was mentioned somewhere, so I changed out the supposedly duff ignition coil packs with some spares, this didn't make any difference, if anything things did seem to get a tad worse. Fuel filter is on the list I have one I just have to fit it. I have also ordered a fuel system pressure checking tool off Fleabay so I can actually watch the pressure as I start the engine, see if that gives me any clues.
I fitted new plugs however they weren't the "top of the wozza", they were the cheaper grade, maybe the engine likes expensive stuff, wouldn't surprise me. Saying that the engine had the same symptoms with the old plugs in which were the double platinum plugs, one reason I started on this quest to figure out what was going on.
Because the issue comes and goes I had discounted the inlet manifold, I would have expected that issue to show itself all the time and not at just random times if this was a crack or a dodgy inlet manifold gasket. Not so sure about this one now.
Thanks for the suggestions, definitely something else to consider.
G`day ,
have you compression tested it , being the way BMW do it that 1 & 2 are side by side same bank .
The missing you give 1,2,7 must be very pronounced i`d think as firing is 7,2,1 which give 3 cylinders in order missing or is this oversimplifying .
What were the old plugs saying as far a colour etc .
Haven`t gone through it but could have some ideas
General diagnostic procedure for a single or multi-cylinder E39 intermittent misfire? - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums
We are talking about a 14 year old engine here, How many K's on this engine?
Fitting the incorrect spark plugs is pretty much a waste of money, What is the condition of the plug leads?
Is the engine loosing any coolant, oil and does it blow any smoke from the exhaust?
As was stated above a compression test is a Great idea.
Maybe the hydraulic lifters ( If fitted in this engine) are on their way out as well.
You only get one shot at life, Aim well
2004 D2 "S" V8 auto, with a few Mods gone
2007 79 Series Landcruiser V8 Ute, With a few Mods.
4.6m Quintrex boat
20' Jayco Expanda caravan gone
Hi There,
So the engine has 202,000 klms on it so I wouldn't put it down as worn out as yet. Compression test, now there is a good suggestion, the vehicle is unregistered so i haven't been able to do much running around to prove or disprove a lot of ideas and or theories. I'll have a look at the plugs when I do the compression test, at this time there is no excess pressure or signs of bubbling in the overflow tank so I was discounting a blown head gasket at this time.
I have had a suggestion of the TPS being faulty or possibly a tired fuel pump as well, so right now I have a developing list of things to check. As and when I get things checked I will feed back, thank you all for your constructive feed back and things to check, appreciated.
Cheers Marty
Vanos, or camshaft position sensor?
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
Hi Rar110,
Well until about 20 minutes ago you had me at VANOS.......... after a bit of a Google and a few home videos I am a lot wiser, the symptoms described by others seem to fit with where I am right now. Also considering the underside of the rocker cover when I replaced the gaskets this cause seems ever so more likely. Thank you for this, should be something quite easy to get access to and check / clean.
Cheers Marty
So what’s the likely problem Marty?
L322 tdv8 poverty pack - wow
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
Track Trailer ARN 200-117
REMLR # 137
Hi RAR110
What you ask is a very good question, you certainly threw me a curved ball with the VANOS, something I am looking into, however I am assuming that an issue with the VANOS would be all the time, my issues are all around when the engine is cool before getting up to running temp. At running temp apart from the occasional rough running when at idle the engine runs fine.
One thing I did yesterday afternoon whilst I had a couple of hours spare was change the fuel filter, when I took the cover off I was met with a lot of debris and the view of a filter that hadn't been changed for a long long time. I have now changed the filter and first impressions are that the engine started well and didn't die within the first 10 seconds of running, so that was encouraging. I haven't actually drive the vehicle anywhere yet, it was to late last night.
I have fitted my RRS TDV8 rims on the old girl now and it looks pretty smart, makes a big difference, looks that is nothing else............
I'm trying to find a bloody oil leak that was picked up by the road worthy on Friday, I'm buggered if I can see where it is coming from, somewhere at the back of the engine near the top, I thought my oil leak(s) were from the cam covers which have now had the gaskets replaced. The engine is a lot drier, this could just be some residual oil, I'm just a bit paranoid about washing engine bays in Land rovers, I have been caught out before......
Cheers Marty
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