I think I'm a bit far away!
I also think it would be prudent to change the guides and chains now - 227K. If I had workshop space, I'd probably do it.
Thanks for the link Laurie!
Haha P38 rover... you have the same issue? I’m happy to help out if you need. Give me a pm if you’re keen. I’ve always wanted my own engineering consultancy, but maybe I should start a Land Rover/Range Rover timing chain clinic instead. My mrs would be stoked.
I think I'm a bit far away!
I also think it would be prudent to change the guides and chains now - 227K. If I had workshop space, I'd probably do it.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
It’s finished!
Ended cutting off the propriety connector parts and used hose clamps for the power steering. The difference in power and v8 burble post timing chains and Vanos is amazing. The engine light is gone too. Must have been a loss in PAS pressure triggering it on that first 25m drive.
Now to degrease the shed...
I'm back!
I just returned from a 700km round trip to Margaret River and the engine was flawless.
The air suspension though...
Half way there, the passenger side has decided to lower to access height (convenient for my pregnant partner--not for driving though!) with the air suspension inactive message too. When we got to the hotel I tried disconnecting the battery and doing the lock to lock on the steering wheel after reconnection - and clearing the fault using the in dash method...
Ignition key must be “off”.
• Press and hold the Check Control button in the instrument cluster (RIGHT button), and turn the ignition key to the first position (KLR).
* You will first see "Check Control OK", some seconds later you will see "Test Nr.01"
* Push the left button on the instrument cluster to see the car's identification number. Add the 5 digits (not 6) together and write down that number, you will need it for unlocking all the functions. Example: A123457 will lead to 2+3+4+5+7 = 21
* Push the right button until you see "Test Nr.19"
* Push left button until you see the number that is equal to the one you calculated above
* Push right button again
1. Display Car's identification number, HW/SW version, construction date
2. instrument cluster self test. Will light up all lights and run all guages
3. Current consumption (liters/hour)
4. Average consumption (liters/100 km)
5. Current range
6. Remaining fuel in tank. Three sets of numbers: A/B/C. C=total amount.
7. Engine RPM / Coolant Temp (C)
8. Current Speed (kph)
9. System voltage at Term. "R" (Battery Voltage)
10. Country/Language (UK, US, Spa, Ger, Jap, etc.)
11. Units am/pm
12. Average Speed
13. ETA
14. Date of Software Mask
15. Production Diagnosis
16. ""
17. Display Vehicle Specific Data
18. Alarm Changeover (cont. vs. intermittent OBC chime)
19. Lock/Unlock
20. Correction factor for fuel consumption (nicht ändern!)
21. Reset all defect codes
To cut a long story short - it didn't fix the problem and we ended up carefully driving the wonky car 300km home. My question is: is this issue something that I need to plug a scan tool in to sort out? Does anyone in the Perth region have one that I could possibly borrow?
I finally pulled my finger out and changed out my timing chains, guides, tensioners, Vanos seals and fitted a new tranny cooler.
Fairly big job about 16 hours worth for a first attempt, but could cut that down by 4 hours if I did it again.
I got sick of waiting for a UK supplier to send me a shipping quote for the kit after may attempts so I ended up taking the risk and ordering a kit from Aliexpress. Man it was cheap.
Timing kit with all guides, 3 chains, 3 tensioners, vanos and timing cover gaskets for $198 plus $55 postage. I checked all the parts out and was quite impressed with the quality. They didn't look like cheap knock offs (that I expected) and looked identical to the factory stuff. Nice machining and good quality plastics and alloy parts and the gaskets looked factory. But time will tell.
The Vanos seals were cheap too. $15 delivered with the 5 seals per side and worked ok. The tranny cooler with the Orings was $33 but $54 for postage.
The inside of my engine is absolutely filthy with a thick layer of soft crud everywhere. I guess oil changes where not that important to the previous owners. That bit me in the bum on the first test drive. I sounded great on the first start up, no start up rattle and smooth as silk. That was until I got 1km down the road. Oil light came on and the shut the engine down warning. I checked for leaks but all was good. I then pulled off the lower sump plate and OMG it was disgusting in there! The oil pick up was blocked with crud and the sump was a mess. Why would BMW make the oil pick up so SMALL! It's about the size of a 10c piece! Designed to fail maybe but that is a mod I'll be doing next oil change, I'll enlarge it to a normal size. I'll be doing 3 monthly oil changes for the foreseeable future as well.
The guides were still intact but very very brittle. The large plastic guide even broke in half when I was pulling it out, so good job done, it was defiantly due at 238 000km.
So I've just come back from a good 50km test drive and all is good. No more rattles and smoother power delivery. I'm a happy man.
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04 L322 Vogue V8 - Work truck
07 Freelander 2 TD4 SE - The wifes
74 Leyland P76 Targa Florio - Aspen Green
91 Kawasaki GPZ900R
Previous LRs = 78IIa series - 81, 93, 95 RRC - D2V8
I spoke to a LR mechanic (not from KLR) about doing this job and he said he’s never seen it done successfully in the long term. I don’t know that he has done one.
The discussion came about because I’d mentioned I’d tried contacting a BMW specialist to get a quote to do the job but got no reply.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
Hey Ron, That sounds strange that the changing chains, guides and tensioners would cause issues down the track. BMW guys have been doing it for years. I have heard the camshaft timing plates on the end of the vanos unit come loose and sends your efi timing out but I put a dab of Loctie on them just in case.
I've seen quotes around the 4.5K mark for the job and I can see why. I got my stuff really cheap but I've seen part prices 10 times or more than what I paid.
But what happens if you don't get it done? Jumping timing chains and bent valves, and then where do you go? Scrap the car?
Range Rover 4.4 Timing Chain Rebuild Kit
04 L322 Vogue V8 - Work truck
07 Freelander 2 TD4 SE - The wifes
74 Leyland P76 Targa Florio - Aspen Green
91 Kawasaki GPZ900R
Previous LRs = 78IIa series - 81, 93, 95 RRC - D2V8
What are the key steps to cut it down?
In future I'll need to do guides, might leave the vanos alone as it's quiet as... But who knows what it'll be like once I get around to the job!
My turn to do this job on my 2005 4.4 M62.
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Took sump off, found plastic from chain guide. Will need to chain guide replacement. Anyone know where I can hire cam lock tools in Brisbane?
Also can I replace the timing chain guides without disrupting the timing?
How do I measure chain to see if it's stretched and needing replacement?
Now: 2005 L322 Vogue 4.4 M62TU (Black)
Before: 2000 P38A HSE 4.6 - stately capability | 2008 Kluger KX-S | 2004 Forester | 2000 Yamaha XJR1300 | 1993 VR Calais | 1974 HQ Statesman - 308 V8 | HT | HK
Ooh, not good. The last time I took my lower sump off all was good in there.
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
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