I'm not planning on replacing the Ailexpess parts sooner than I would Genuine parts. The parts looked pretty good quality. My take is that if it is going to fail it would fail quickly. After 10,000km it should be fine.
Printable View
I'm not planning on replacing the Ailexpess parts sooner than I would Genuine parts. The parts looked pretty good quality. My take is that if it is going to fail it would fail quickly. After 10,000km it should be fine.
So I received the German Auto Solutions timing kit, the Beisan's Vanos seal and the gaskets I need.
I pulled the rocker covers and upper timing covers and checked the timing with the GAS kit as well as rechecked it with chinese kit. Both were spot on. So there was no problem with the chinese kit I have. I then pulled the Vanos units and redid the seals along with the press tool (thanks Glen). Reassembled it all and retimed with the GAS kit. I reset the adaptations before I started it up but silly me forgot to read the old adaptions as a base line before I did the reset.
I cranked it over a few times with the fuel pump relay pulled but after that the engine fired right up and ran smooth as silk and quieter than its ever been. I checked the vanos function while I was running an engine flush and all seemed well. I did an oil change and took it for a drive.
It didn't feel any different than before. Rescanned the ecm and yep fault code P0011 AND NOW P0021 . Both codes are cams over advanced or system performance. P0011 also says "Signal Low".
I pulled the rockers off again, locked the crank, set up the cam locks and checked the signal wheels through the inspection hole in the upper timing covers. All spot on.
Reassembled everything and have it running again. The signal low on #1 cam is strange so I have a few cam sensors on order just in case. Also the Beisans seal kit does say that the seal need 320km of city driving to break them in so I'll run a tank of fuel through it before I do anymore adjustments.
I have been looking at the adaption values of the cams and #1 bank is pegged at +12deg with #2 bank hovering between +9 & +11deg. I've been looking at the BMW forums and they are saying that a positive adaption value is retarded and the cam wheels need to be advanced even though the fault code says "over advanced".
Anyway I'll run it for a bit and get these seals broken in and then play with it a little more and sort this out.
Update: Checked the oil pressure just in case. All good. 55psi cold or hot.
Ok I've now sorted out the issue I've been having with the non functional VANOS on the M62.
So first off I changed the cam sensors with some aftermarket ebay units. They are a little fatter on the sensor as to say they don't have the step in them like the BMW do. This adjusted the adaptations by about 5deg retarded. I guess the fatter sensor is picking up the trigger point a little earlier. This brought the adaptations to around +10deg on bank 1 and +4deg on bank 2.
It was no longer triggering code P0021 but still P0011. (I noted on a the test drive after changing the sensors that the fault codes are set when the adaptions hit 11deg)
I popped off the rocker cover on bank 1 and advanced the trigger wheel 1.5mm. This brought the adaptation numbers on bank 1 to -1deg.
Took it for a bit of a drive and all is well. No codes and both VANOS units operating between 58% under acceleration and 94% on the cruise. I can defiantly feel the difference in power below 3000rpm.
If I was to do the job again I wouldn't worry about spending the extra dollars on the German Auto Solutions kit and just use the Chinese kit. I would then expect the car to throw the cam codes and adjust them in either direction as per the adaption values.
Lessons learnt that even though the fault code states the cam is over advanced, looking at the positive adaption values the trigger wheel was actually retarded. Moving the trigger wheel 1.5mm is equal to 10deg of timing either way.
A few have run into the same issue I had after the timing chain replacement on the M62.
Although using the correct cam timing tools and all the care in the world, the setting of the trigger wheels can still be out. This will cause timing faults P0011 and P0021 and a non functional Vanos system.
I was checking that my small Launch CRP scanner can read the adaption values like my bigger unit and it can. So I'll lend out the scanner for those in need like I loan out the timing tools.
Attachment 177974Attachment 177975Attachment 177976Attachment 177977Attachment 177978Attachment 177979
am i right in thinking that as mine has a P0012 code, meaning it is retarded, then the timing plate needs turning anti clockwise
i would have thought it would need turning clockwise
You can't believe the fault codes, you have to read the adaption values.
My car had cam to far advanced codes but in reality it was retarded.
Again a positive adaption value means the cam trigger with is retarded, a negative value is advanced.
An adaption value of over 11deg either way will shut down the vanos and throw a code.
what model small Launch CRP scanner are you using, I changed my timing chain and now have p0014 and 0015 , I would like to be able to see the vanos values and be able to reset the adaptions with a low cost scan tool I can buy . Also do you know of any scan tool that can rest the DME
Quote:
Originally Posted by FisherX
