D5 Getting more fleet deals

Thanks, but I was talking about Australia.

The D5 is firmly targetted on Europe and no allowances have been made for Australia. No 17 inch wheels , though promised early, no large tank (funny as an option in UK for RR), strange rear design making it hard to fit fridge slide, DPF/oil dilution problems( the GM system seems much better),and so on.
I was just wondering how sales are in Australia.
Remember Prado sells about 2000 per month, with big tank, 17 inch wheels , although I understand they have DPF problems and they have instituted a manual DPF regen button.

Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Thanks, but I was talking about Australia.

The D5 is firmly targetted on Europe and no allowances have been made for Australia. No 17 inch wheels , though promised early, no large tank (funny as an option in UK for RR), strange rear design making it hard to fit fridge slide, DPF/oil dilution problems( the GM system seems much better),and so on.
I was just wondering how sales are in Australia.
Remember Prado sells about 2000 per month, with big tank, 17 inch wheels , although I understand they have DPF problems and they have instituted a manual DPF regen button.

Regards Philip A

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Sorry, no idea matey regarding Australian sales but I'm sure from a disapointment POV they just look at sales all together [emoji1419]
Update looked at summer 2018 4x4 Australia mag:
Prado: 1388 per month
D5: 121 per month.

2018 vfacts data
DS: 288 per month
RS: 230 per month

LR 10089 OZ sales.
JAG 2679 AU sales

Defender averaged about same as D5 monthly figures for a whole years sales year in oz [emoji1787]. Last year bumped up to double in the final rush.You can see why they had to change it.

As for 17s here what your saying, i used to think 15s where the standard, now im running 16s on my RRC, many of the newer four wheel drives are running 20 inch wheels now with many tyre sizes available.
18s are available for D5s, they are a very good size if the coupled with the right size tyre for long distance touring, safety and off-road ability. Look at the bowler Bulldog they are winning rallys with 18 inch wheels.

The rear design is different, but you and never going to find a car that has absolutely everything perfectly the discovery comes pretty close the aftermarket will catch up with the D5 just like it has with the D4. Attached is a photo of a members solution that actually looks better than most options as you can store lots underneath the fridge as well. MSA Drop fridge slide and you're done.

From my calculations the discovery 5 will do around 1000 km on one tank of fuel on the freeway, so I don't really know why you would need a larger tank but I'm sure they will come in time if needed.

Prado's sell well and are a good thing, in my opinion some of main reasons (other than being a good option) for the big sales differential in oz is the strong Toyota marketing + the fact that most buyers don't really know how good the discovery is.
Discovery is a completely different animal.
It's good the automotive reporters are rightfully getting behind the D5s and letting people know how good it is + all the awards its winning.

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Originally Posted by IndusD4

And the UK Highways agency with another 70:

Land Rover delivers first of 70 Discovery patrol vehicles


Ron

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No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

They also have a few Defenders.

As for the above post,

A small fuel tank size becomes a real issue when towing.

And yes,that bar looks horrid,in any colour,particularly if you see one in the flesh.

Prado,push one hard on a corner and they feel like they are going to tip over,but maybe i am just use to the handling of the D4[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by scarry

No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

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The Highways Agency is not the UK Police. I guess they are similar to the RMS traffic vans we have in NSW.

Ron

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No surprise,the UK police have always had Discoveries,they have hundreds of D4's at the moment.
Many are probably due for replacement.

They also have a few Defenders.

As for the above post,

A small fuel tank size becomes a real issue when towing.

And yes,that bar looks horrid,in any colour,particularly if you see one in the flesh.

Prado,push one hard on a corner and they feel like they are going to tip over,but maybe i am just use to the handling of the D4[biggrin]

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Yeah fair call when towing, has anyone got any real world figures of a d5 towing a camper trailer and range you get offroad or onroad? Apparently you can't feel what your towing in a D5, for sure she would drink more, but how much? I've heard 15L/100 as an estimate..that gets you around 500ks between drinks.

Would it still be an issue on the blacktop towing with 1000k range to start with, 500ks gets you most places doesnt it?

Me personally im not a fan of towing off-road, but everyone's different and some need to with lots of little ones or accessibility issues for rooftops etc, so for those people agree it could be an issue if their camper can't carry a jerry or 2. I guess the Long Range tanks guys will bring one out if there is a need.

Putting it in perspective the D4 had 83L standard just 5L more and used spprox 9.2L/100 that gave them approx 900km range.

So even though the D5 has less space in the tank it actually has around 100km more range on the blacktop out of the factory. [emoji1417]

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Originally Posted by IndusD4

The Highways Agency is not the UK Police. I guess they are similar to the RMS traffic vans we have in NSW.

Ron

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Yeah true good point, however would be safe to say the UK police use Landrovers extensively too. [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...baeb123623.jpg

The D4 diesel has a usable capacity of around 76 litres absolute Max,dead empty.This is well documented.

Loaded and on a good run,maybe 10L/100 if you are lucky,at 100 to 110km/hr.Say about 700K range,to be safe,max.

Add a bit of stop/start,whatever,say 11 to 12L/100 to be safe.Now we are down to around 600K max.

So in reality,not a great amount of K's for remote and long distant travel.

I don't think anyone would want to run the tank dead empty,so actual is less than above in reality.

And towing a van,2.5 to 3.5T,add 50% for fuel usage approx.

So as you can see,when towing,i always seemed to be looking for the next fuel stop.

Sure, mine isn't the later 8speed,3.0L.but it won't be far off the mark.

As for the D5,i have no idea,although most published data by the manufacturer on the vehicles fuel consumption is probably quite optimistic.

For a start,the vehicle will be empty,no accessories,and with OEM road tyres,and tested as per some 'standard'test.

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Originally Posted by scarry

The D4 diesel has a usable capacity of around 76 litres absolute Max,dead empty.This is well documented.

Loaded and on a good run,maybe 10L/100 if you are lucky,at 100 to 110km/hr.Say about 700K range,to be safe,max.

Add a bit of stop/start,whatever,say 11 to 12L/100 to be safe.Now we are down to around 600K max.

So in reality,not a great amount of K's for remote and long distant travel.

I don't think anyone would want to run the tank dead empty,so actual is less than above in reality.

And towing a van,2.5 to 3.5T,add 50% for fuel usage approx.

So as you can see,when towing,i always seemed to be looking for the next fuel stop.

Sure, mine isn't the later 8speed,3.0L.but it won't be far off the mark.

As for the D5,i have no idea,although most published data by the manufacturer on the vehicles fuel consumption is probably quite optimistic.

For a start,the vehicle will be empty,no accessories,and with OEM road tyres,and tested as per some 'standard'test.

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Interesting cheers, Ive heard claims of around 20-30% better range from the D5 over D4, maybe this could be why.

Lets hope a LR tank is not far off all the same.

Comparing fuel use with my D4 (2011 2.7 TDV6) I get about 100km more out of a tank, and that is driving around in the city - 700km with the D5 compared to 600km with the D4. Dunno what it would be doing a run up to Brisbane but with the D4 I'd start sitting uncomfortably in the drivers seat after 750km, I should make it all the way there in the D5 easily. It's not 20-30% better but I'm happy nevertheless.

Ron

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Originally Posted by IndusD4

Comparing fuel use with my D4 (2011 2.7 TDV6) I get about 100km more out of a tank, and that is driving around in the city - 700km with the D5 compared to 600km with the D4. Dunno what it would be doing a run up to Brisbane but with the D4 I'd start sitting uncomfortably in the drivers seat after 750km, I should make it all the way there in the D5 easily. It's not 20-30% better but I'm happy nevertheless.

Ron

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Nice one, that's quite impressive driving around town. What engine in the D5?