for the hell of it I tried having a go from standstill in snow/sand mode. what a difference. should be (almost) this responsive normally IMO
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for the hell of it I tried having a go from standstill in snow/sand mode. what a difference. should be (almost) this responsive normally IMO
Good idea. I have dynamic mode in mine but didn't notice any change in response at take off. I'll have to try sand mode.
Is the lag less if you put it in Sport mode so it holds a gear, and doesn't spend that first half second deciding which gear to select?
No different. In fact, it hardly changes anything and still grumbles along at 1250rpm at 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjc_td5
Funny... this one here is 3k old, 2.0l
Goes like **** off a shovel... no lag.
The ZF is adaptive as are all modern transmissions... different drivers will suffer this effect if swapping vehicle frequently.
Even the D4 gets silly after a long highway run.. makes it a bit doughy in town for a few trips.
handed it back today to the nice sales guy at Barbagallo. He reckons we should try out a petrol model, given our concerns with lag and the low-level gearbox rumble.
what do you guys reckon?
AFAIK that still won't address my concerns about comfort, warranty, high $ for niceties etc ...
Those things are personal choice. If you don't like the negatives why not just buy the opposition and be done with it? Since you are still looking at it I assume there is something you like about it! I can live with the grumble and the lag and the rest of the car is just what I want. I didn't want a Korean car or a Mazda, without even driving them, so I am lucky, I didn't even have to drive them! They may be way better (although I doubt it) but I don't care. I didn't even drive a Sport with the Ingenium engine since mine was one of the first in the country and was my personal order. Its much easier when you like the concept and know what you don't want on an emotional level, regardless of the facts.
Anyway good luck. I doubt that you would be too disappointed with any of the cars you are thinking about. Just get the one that suits you the best.
By the way, I drove mine to Ravenswood on the weekend and tried to see what some of the things are that you were mentioning. I think your issue with the steering shimmy is actually the low rev vibration of the engine. It actually sometimes feels like a rumble strip vibrating the steering on mine at those revs of 1200 to 1400 that it sometimes wants to run at to save fuel. Manually changing down a gear or two makes it go away instantly. I've never had anything remotely like that from the actual road surface, even on corrugations.
Sand mode makes it responsive but it holds the low gears too much for the road. Dynamic mode and sports mode on the transmission doesn't do a lot to reduce the lag or keeping the car in high gears. I don't know what car Tombie is driving but mine has lag, much worse than my D4.
If the petrol is anything like my son's D3 V8 petrol, it will remove all lag and have instant power off the line that no turbo diesel can ever replicate. I've never driven a petrol DS though.
Mamil, interesting that the Jeep only gets to 9th at 80mph. The DS gets to 9th at around 100kph indicated (94 or 95 actual), which is why the engine grumbles at low revs of around 1200 to 1300. Even a slight hill will drop it back to 8th though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamil
Bob, does your wife drive it? Does she drive the same as you?
If not the sensation you're experiencing is possibly adaptive.
It also depends on how you've driven your vehicle from day one... how a vehicle beds in has an impact on how it drives. If you've gone gently you may have a different experience..
(Just took the DS for another spin and there's no noticeable lag in this unit)
Nothing to do with the transmission or how you drive. Stop at the lights, put your foot down and wait then it goes like a scalded cat. Put it in sports mode, dynamic mode, sports mode, first gear, whatever. Stop at the lights, put your foot down, wait and off it goes. Been the same from day one, just like the OP has also found. If you don't want instant take off it is fine. Light throttle and it goes OK but when you want that instant take off it wants to take off slowly for that first split second and then it is full bore. The old engine is better, from my 30 minute drive of a demo when I first ordered mine.
As I said it is not sitting there doing nothing. It just accelerates slowly for the first ten metres until it gets in its torque band and then it goes. Pretty normal turbo diesel behaviour in my opinion.