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    What is known about the New 2020 Defender

    Hi all,

    Tried to make this a sticky kind of thread, however i think they thought it was too similar and maybe didnt see the instructions not to post on new thread so this has been merged back here.

    Problem is sometimes these posts get lost in the middle of threads, so they have to keep it being reposted when new information comes to hand.

    Thought it would be easier to keep all the quotes and info from JLR (and assumptions based on these) regarding the new defender in one place so we can keep updating easily. If you want a quote or info added or even think something should be removed, pm me or say so.

    Will keep updating this when time permits.


    ENGINES


    Jaguar Land Rover insists the Defender will need a "balanced engine portfolio" in order to succeed in all global markets.


    JLR has also said it will launch a three-cylinder Ingenium engine that will be used in a future plug-in hybrid version of the Range Rover Evoque compact SUV. JLR is also expected to announce a diesel straight-six Ingenium engine to replace a Ford-sourced V-6 unit.


    JLR currently buys V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines from Ford’s Bridgend plant but has said it will end the agreement in 2020. Ford has no other customers for the engines and has said it will cut jobs at the factory as it concentrates on its own four-cylinder engines at the plant. JLR will stop purchasing V-6 diesel engines this year from Ford’s engine plant in Dagenham, London.


    New 2020 Land Rover Defender: latest details and spy shots | Auto Express


    JLR are on record as saying all of their models will be electrified by 2020, and also that MLA is the platform that will be phased in from around this time, so it is logical to assume that the new defender will be on the MLA platform which will have mild hybrid hybrid and fully electric options.


    BODY STYLES


    JLR have released the general outline of the new defender as part of a investor presentation

    "The Defender has up to ten different body styles from soft top to Utility Wagon to Double Cab Pick Up allowing you to ride around Delray Beach in the Defender that’s best for you and your driving needs."

    2020 Land Rover Defender: What We Know | Land Rover Palm Beach

    Land Rover's chief marketing officer Felix Bräutigam told Auto Express: "One of the exciting things for us is that we are not launching a car, we are launching a family of cars."

    design boss Gerry McGovern has hinted that a performance SVR version of the forthcoming 4x4 could also be on the cards. Such a car would be developed by Jaguar Land Rover’s newly formed Special Vehicle Operations (SVO) division, and would allow the brand to tap into demand in Russia and China for powerful and luxurious rugged off-roaders, currently dominated by the Mercedes-AMG G 63.

    It's also likely that a hardcore Defender SVX will join the range at some stage and we could even see a luxurious SVA version in line with the Range Rover SVAutobiography.


    New 2020 Land Rover Defender: latest details and spy shots | Auto Express

    Rear wheel carier.

    Full side swinging rear door

    Circular head lights.


    INTERIOR


    JLR are on record saying that the leaked images are older pre-production photos however by saying this it is logical to assume that the general layout and seating will be very similar.

    Latest tech


    SUSPENSION


    As can be seen on the pilots will have long travel air bag suspension with a coil version option.. one of the original Range Rover Sport mules was spotted with coils.


    CAPABILITY


    Departure (50deg) ramp over and approach (45deg) angles can be ascertained from the new Defender photos.

    As part of an investor presentation they showed that the defender will be durable, practical, functional and have offroad expertise.


    RELEASE DATE


    JLR are on record saying released 2019, available 2020, refundable preorders now.


    GENERAL JLR ON RECORD COMMENTS


    The Land Rover Lineup: Land Rover will have three branches to their model lineup: the luxury Range Rover branch, the versatile Discovery branch, and the Defender branch, which aims to offer the “world’s most capable off-road vehicles.”

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    Speaking from the 2018 Paris Motor Show, Jaguar Land Rover's chief marketing officer Felix Bräutigam said: "The new Defender will not simply be a copy-cat, something retro. It will be something that moves the game on for Land Rover."

    JLR executive Dr Ralf Speth informed us that early development mules were undergoing testing by bosses back in 2017.

    Rather excitingly, the JLR boss assured us that the new car will be “even more capable” than the outgoing Defender when the terrain gets challenging.

    Teasing further, he said: “I have driven test mules already… and also tried the car against competitors, in on and off-road environments. It’s sensational.” He would not put a timeframe on when the new Land Rover Defender would debut but he did say: “It is coming. We are working an authentic successor of the predecessor.”

    New 2020 Land Rover Defender: latest details and spy shots | Auto Express

    Revolutionary design


    ASSUMTIONS BASED ON FACTS ABOVE


    Safe onroad on/offroad

    Very Capable on/offroad

    Comfortable on/offroad

    Will be Durable and will hopefully be reasonably reliable comsidering its focus.

    Reasonable wheel sizes 18(maybe 17) and upwards

    Low to high power engines petrol and deisel

    Auto with 9 or 10 gears

    900mm or more wading ( let's face it the defender will have the same or more capability on then the Discovery or Range Rover

    6 seat 110

    8 seat 130 possible.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ05bF...ature=youtu.be


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    double post
    Last edited by blackrangie; 16th March 2019 at 11:28 PM. Reason: New sticky thread merged above into this thread so deleting double post

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    Cheers,

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    Getting more depressed by the minute. Pity he does not work for JLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    Very interesting video, if you watch from 5:30 he starts talking about scaling tyre and rim sizes.
    Basically if those tyres in the U.S photo are 30" they are sitting on a 21" rim, most likely the smallest rim that will fit over the caliper is 20" MAYBE 19"
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    Some of that is indeed worrying. The D5 standard tyre is an inch bigger than the D4, and you can still get 18" rims over those brakes... hopefully the Defender isn't going to take any of that backwards. I've got 30.5" tyres (265/60/18) and they've been good but I would like better on a vehicle that could fit them. Minimum 20" on the Defender could actually be a total deal breaker for me if true.

    Also... D5 has radiators down low in front of the wheels?? Admittedly I'm no expert but that seems risky and fragile for serious off-road use.

    The stupid thing is that brakes so big are only needed for vehicles that operate at high speeds. I'd be content to have a max speed of about 130km/h and brakes that could take 18 or even 17" wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    Thanks for the link......i totally like his way of presenting......and still cannot stomach Andrew St P

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    Big brakes are also important for TR & HDC.
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    You can get 18s on a D5 and run 33×12.5x18.
    YouTube
    Even visually comparing the front disks in these 2 photos, they are pretty much identical.
    With that in mind, there is no way you won't be able to get 18s on the new defender, as its going to be their most rugged dual purpose model.
    18s are medium profile and as previously discussed adequate for a modern safe and capable 4x4.
    From my understanding LR increase the brake size only when needed by power being used and maybe top speeds capable etc, so maybe lower power, smaller brakes, higher power larger brakes, so maybe they will have multiple brake size options to match engine power to keep it safe and brakes reliable. But im sure also brake tech is getting better so hopefully smallish across the range. Also nearly all the mules are running different wheel tyres combos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    Yeah not a bad report, but still nothing we didn’t already know. In fact he’s just re-enforcing what some of us suspected and have been saying for at least the past year. ...the new Defender looks to be first and foremost aimed at the urban SUV market like all other current Land Rover models. Off road ability will rely mostly on tech with high speed capability more important than bush durability.
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