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    Cheers,

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    Dust under the wheels

    It's water under the bridge now, as they must be close to finished the New Defender, but I would have liked Tata to have taken over the Defender project from JLR.


    Tata are better placed to make a vehicle more in line with the original Series/Defender heritage - a world people's utility vehicle. When you think of Landrover, you think of Africa, dust, people and animals piled into them and on their roof racks on some God-forsaken third-world road, up to their axles in bulldust. Can JLR still do that?


    Tata could have used any Rover technology that they wanted, but cranked out a simple, strong all-road people's car at the right price from their Indian factories. It could have been an explosive success, greater than the unexpected success of the original in the 1950's.


    There seems to me a huge gap in the 4WD market at present. Landcruiser has gone big, expensive and fuel-thirsty, more than what a 4wd ute really needs. Hilux has gone a bit dainty and flash, at least in perception. All the Japanese ones are creeping up in price, and, lets face it, they all look the same and offer much the same thing to the same market. None tap into the new environmental ethos.


    Tata could have reinvented Defender as a modern fuel efficient, environmentally friendly, simple-to-work-on, off-highway utility vehicle at a price ripe for the picking in the huge growth market of the developing world, and leave the cashed-up wannabe-macho first world market to British billionaires. If not, that huge world market will be left to the Chinese - good for them.


    I'm sure New Defender will be a fine vehicle, but, like everyone else here it seems, I expect it to be just another boring, swishy-looking, expensive JLR clone. Hope we're wrong.

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    Sadly it’s commentary like the above which demonstrates very little understanding of vehicle development, costing and compliance requirements.

    There is no way a non-compliant vehicle could be built profitably in the modern world. It’s markets would restrict it and price would be exorbitant.
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    Tata already makes a basic 4WD, but it flopped here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Sadly it’s commentary like the above which demonstrates very little understanding of vehicle development, costing and compliance requirements.

    There is no way a non-compliant vehicle could be built profitably in the modern world. It’s markets would restrict it and price would be exorbitant.

    beg to differ, Manufacturers can easily make a basic vehicle compliant . All the mod cons and fashion luxuries do not need to be included .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Tata already makes a basic 4WD, but it flopped here.
    That was the Tata fourby wagon and it was imported by a third party importer, not Tata, who either didn't have or didn't want to spend the necessary dollars in promotional advertising/support. The same thing happened with Mahindra - it was originally imported by a third party importer who, like the Tata importer, failed in the promotional and country wide support areas. Sales and support improved dramatically when both parent companies took over sales, adverting and support for their respective vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    beg to differ, Manufacturers can easily make a basic vehicle compliant . All the mod cons and fashion luxuries do not need to be included .
    Still needs crash compliance.
    Multiple airbags
    Emissions standards
    Noise standards
    Handling must meet criteria (lane change and braking)
    Needs ABS and ESC

    We’re not talking a low volume build that can apply for exemptions.

    The “luxuries” are the easy, simple stuff, nothing more than a factory versions of all the PCs, Droid, Raspberry Pie type gadgets we drop in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Still needs crash compliance.
    Multiple airbags
    Emissions standards
    Noise standards
    Handling must meet criteria (lane change and braking)
    Needs ABS and ESC

    We’re not talking a low volume build that can apply for exemptions.

    The “luxuries” are the easy, simple stuff, nothing more than a factory versions of all the PCs, Droid, Raspberry Pie type gadgets we drop in.
    Actually he’s part right, toymota drop at least 2 off the list in other markets with the 70series, they still use the na 4.2 6cyl diesel , not the td4.4v8 we’ve had here to meet emissions laws for 5-6 years . This would lower the cost and make it more reliable as well as increase sales.
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