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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    Get used to it !

    Looks broken down, thats not the same one as the tilt tray vid, its got no spare and half moon wrap on back window..interestingly that wrap on back window has not been seen before.
    Also looks jacked up, on rollers.

    If it is broken down that's a good thing GB [emoji1787]

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    Quote Originally Posted by roverrescue View Post
    Its pretty funny to say big wheels are necessary for high speed

    They are necessary because they look good

    And perhaps fit bigger calipers
    But then again what diameter are Formula1 wheels

    Hmmm

    Big wheels is bling

    With a speed limit of 125kmh max in Australia
    What is this high speed you talk of

    18s are bigger than they need to be to pull up a 3T wagon if Toyota can do it on 17s

    Bigger than 17 is **** and nothing more.

    S
    Fact wise low profiles are used for multiple reasons

    1. Low profile tyres increase the rigidity of tyres which helps with high speed cornering and handling.

    2. As already mentioned they also allow for larger brakes.

    3. Looks

    Its a juggling act for manufactures, it looks like LR will have wheel options to suit all driving scenarios on or offroad in the new defender so happy days.

    Its been sorted with the D5, this will be even further improved with the new defender given the larger factory tyre size and lower factory wheel size options.


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    Agree its about caliper/ brake size but if Toyota can do adequate brakes on a 200series with 17 rims
    and Ford can do it on an F250 with a 1.9T payload and 8.1T tow rating can do adequate brakes on 17

    JLR are either incompetent brake engineers or they do it for other reasons - which I am arguing are aesthetic - nothing more

    Big black spoked rims look sexy
    Especially with a bright red caliper inside

    Nothing functional just bling

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    What should be remembered is that tyres are the easiest adjustable suspension component. Low profile severely limits the ability to adjust.
    If you don't like trucks, stop buying stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roverrescue View Post
    Agree its about caliper/ brake size but if Toyota can do adequate brakes on a 200series with 17 rims
    and Ford can do it on an F250 with a 1.9T payload and 8.1T tow rating can do adequate brakes on 17

    JLR are either incompetent brake engineers or they do it for other reasons - which I am arguing are aesthetic - nothing more

    Big black spoked rims look sexy
    Especially with a bright red caliper inside

    Nothing functional just bling

    S
    Yep it's more expensive to do small brakes that break as well as the big set up on LR 19's...can be done but dearer.

    Cheers

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    You reckon Ford is taking the expensive option on their massively selling F series utes?

    Not a chance - if they can pull up a 2.8T F250 with 1.9T load more cheaply on 18s or 19s you reckon they wouldnt make that saving

    Bigger than 17s is purely aesthetics and marketing

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    European brakes are bigger and more powerful than rest of world. They have high speed autobahns and highways and customer expectations are higher. Look at the AMS test as one example. Can't compare a lumbering, low speed F-Series with... anything else actually [emoji14] And towing is irrelevant to brakes as the trailer does all of its own stopping.
    The Landcruiser brakes would fail the AMS test miserably, as do almost all non Europeans. JLR put monster brakes on because that's the price of entry. BMW, Mercedes, etc all do the same. Compare a small/medium car brakes from Fiat, Renault, Ford, Opel, etc to something from SEAsia. Way bigger and better. Big brakes are expensive and they'd avoid it if they could. They put the smallest brakes on they can get away with, which is why they do several different sizes for each model (despite the tooling and engineering and complexity costs) depending on vehicle weight and performance. The old Defender had small brakes because that's all it needed. Therefore small wheels. New one will be a rocketship in comparison, so big brakes and big wheels. Lower engine outputs will have smaller brakes and higher outputs will have bigger brakes. It's been like that for decades and will continue.
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    Youve obviously never driven on a freeway in USA if you think F250 are lumbering and low speed

    Ive been passed several times by a 250 towing a 35 plus boat while Im on cruise doing 85mph

    Im not arguing that euro cars do it
    Obviously they do

    But it is for aesthetics to as you say compete with the BMW crowd etc

    If your point actually held water then Toyota 200s would not be able to be sold in Europe (but they are)

    Its guff and leads to problems for a vehicle that is supposed to be primarily for off-road work

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    It took the google bots nearly 30 seconds to find me this page


    http://carsalesbase.com/european-car...-land-cruiser/

    Nearly 600 cruiser sales a month in your European countries which cant cope with 17s on a full size wagon ?
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    Past few posts are more proof to me that this piece of **** JLR are pushing onto the public as their most capable 4x4 ever is 99% road oriented . Yes I agree it will the the most capable 4x4 ever as far as 'on road' performance goes. You don't even need close to that sort of capability on any Australian road. It can stay on the Autobahns as far as I'm concerned. Low Profile tyres have no place at all on an off road vehicle. 17" max imo . I expect i'll see these things pushed into the scrub off the side of the GCR in a few years, ..... if its not sealed by then .

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