Won’t be retro...

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Originally Posted by johntins

So, 68 years of Land Rovers, from the first of what became known as the "Series", up tp the last Defender, don't count?

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Assuming Ramblingboy means, since the conception of Discovery and Range Rover, not since the conception of Land Rover - it could be argued that Discovery and Range Rover have had more attention and significantly more R&D money spent over the years, some of which benefitted Defender; but that this is why LR finds itself with no new model Defender for many years.

As to heart and soul, it's pretty clear that unless the next Defender is the real deal, LR may have lost it. The cavalcade of current LR model clones doesn't feel like the beating heart and soul to me.

Good on ya zeros, the punctuation marks were deliberately placed that way, to give the post it's meaning, which at least, you understood.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Assuming Ramblingboy means, since the conception of Discovery and Range Rover, not since the conception of Land Rover - it could be argued that Discovery and Range Rover have had more attention and significantly more R&D money spent over the years, some of which benefitted Defender; but that this is why LR finds itself with no new model Defender for many years.

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Maybe, and maybe not, but since this is a thread about Defenders it was a little obtuse, punctuation or no punctuation.

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Originally Posted by Zeros

Assuming Ramblingboy means, since the conception of Discovery and Range Rover, not since the conception of Land Rover - it could be argued that Discovery and Range Rover have had more attention and significantly more R&D money spent over the years, some of which benefitted Defender; but that this is why LR finds itself with no new model Defender for many years.

As to heart and soul, it's pretty clear that unless the next Defender is the real deal, LR may have lost it. The cavalcade of current LR model clones doesn't feel like the beating heart and soul to me.

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I really don't think LR give a rats about heart and soul,heritage,or any of that stuff any more.

As us older guys move on,the new gen won't really care,they just want what LR are producing today.

That is highly complicated and luxury around town vehicles,and there are more of these types of models coming.

In fact, if you think about it,an LC 70 series plain jane vehicle probably has more heritage(for Toyota) than anything(with heritage) that comes out of LR today.

Heritage,heart and soul doesn't sell vehicles,LR have changed to suit the market.

What we all know as the Defender is long gone,the new model will be similar to LR's current crop of vehicles.

In reality JLR is primary into making money, including by selling a “new” product called a Defender to people who probably won’t buy a product from the two other existing pillars (RR/Disco), and who never bought a Defender in the past even if they really wanted one.

It’s this last category which could be their biggest customer, ie the Jeep Rangler customer.

I’ve met more than a few who “would like a Defender” but don’t/can’t, because of spouse reality check/safety concerns/daily driver capability (it doesn’t drive like a normal car).

I doubt JLR will tackle the dual cab tradie market straight up. I think they will establish the product first.

Given the risk of low volume, I think they will use existing platforms to the maximum.

In the past there has been 3 or 4 very different product groups with very different manufacturing methods. In the future there will be one manufacture method with 3 product variations.

Just my opinion.

"Won't be retro" ...famous last words. McGovern misunderstands the meaning of retro. Retro is imitation. No self-respecting Defender devotee wants retro.

Most promising render I have seen yet, autocar I believe.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...018/01/187.jpg

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Most promising render I have seen yet, autocar I believe.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...018/01/187.jpg

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Isn't that the DC100 from a couple of years ago that McGovern has since said it won't be anything like?

boring, boring bloody boring.

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Originally Posted by rick130

Isn't that the DC100 from a couple of years ago that McGovern has since said it won't be anything like?

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No