Thread: Won’t be retro...

The articulation claimed on the modern IS cars really irks me, as to me its meaningless.
It's based on a ramp measurement, not bump/droop travel at the wheel or between bump stops.
I'd love to know what the old Deefer would pull in comparison to the LR measurements as I could max out the 10" travel shocks in the front and was dislocating the 17" free length springs.

Originally Posted by rick130

The articulation claimed on the modern IS cars really irks me, as to me its meaningless.
It's based on a ramp measurement, not bump/droop travel at the wheel or between bump stops.
I'd love to know what the old Deefer would pull in comparison to the LR measurements as I could max out the 10" travel shocks in the front and was dislocating the 17" free length springs.

I believe the LR air suspension, has air canisters for each wheel then it is crosslinked diagonally (front to back) to give live axle style travel off-road.

I guess what matters is if you keep going forward safely at the end of the day.

"Cross-linked airbag suspension simulate live axles, giving 500mm of stable, supple wheel travel to keep the wheels in touch with the ground. When wheels do lift, the traction control system is quick to keep progress going."

Mr4x4.com.au


New D5 is the most capable disco made.

New Defender is claimed to be the same for landrovers, so will be very interesting what they do with it.

Originally Posted by weeds

Have JLR ever been in the heavy duty work vehicle I.e. even competed with other manufacturers??.......over the last 20years in AUS I haven’t seen fleets of defenders doing the hard work.

errr, the PNG police force bought a fleet of Defenders, I think it was 4 yrs ago, they all broke down within a short period of time and as far as I know they are still sitting in compound because LR wouldn't warrant the problems , so the dealer wiped their hands. My brother in law was service manager at the time.

Seriously , without a lot of post sales attention from dealers, indies, after market specialists the Defender couldn't cut the mustard , be honest here, they were a piece of ****.....while the Toyotas just drove out of the showroom and kept driving.

Land Rover have a massive amount of cred to catch up to if they want to sell a new Defender. I would not buy one based on their dealer history and they are going to be very expensive. There is NO well priced Land Rover.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

errr, the PNG police force bought a fleet of Defenders, I think it was 4 yrs ago, they all broke down within a short period of time and as far as I know they are still sitting in compound because LR wouldn't warrant the problems , so the dealer wiped their hands. My brother in law was service manager at the time.

Seriously , without a lot of post sales attention from dealers, indies, after market specialists the Defender couldn't cut the mustard , be honest here, they were a piece of ****.....while the Toyotas just drove out of the showroom and kept driving.

Land Rover have a massive amount of cred to catch up to if they want to sell a new Defender. I would not buy one based on their dealer history and they are going to be very expensive. There is NO well priced Land Rover.

I guess I was referring to non government fleets........government mostly purchase poorly.

Totally agree with your comments.......

There is NO well priced Land Rover.

The older D1, D2 and even D3's are great value now and you get a lot of "Bang" for your Buck with these But you have to be Very careful which one you buy So there Are some well priced Landrovers out there
Loosing several thousands of dollars as you drive off the showroom floor has Never been something that I have embraced and Landrover seems to be one of the worst brands for this problem, Oddly this doesn't seem to apply to the Defenders YET.
The NEW Defender (When or IF) it finally emerges will be just another Luxury 4WD product from Landrover that will cost squillions and will be worth bugger all in a few years which will be fantastic for us used car buyers But Not so much for the new car buyers.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

they all broke down within a short period of time

So every defender they ordered broke down within a short period of time?

Interested to know more, how did they break down and in what timeframe? Also why did Land rover not warrant every case?

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Seriously , without a lot of post sales attention from dealers, indies, after market specialists the Defender couldn't cut the mustard , be honest here, they were a piece of ****.....while the Toyotas just drove out of the showroom and kept driving.

To be honest if you think so highly of the defender what are you even here for, if its just to Troll or be provocative and also disrespectful to the company that has made one of the most incredible 4x4s of all time over 70years it might be best to move along.

The defender is world renowned as being the greatest factory ready bare bones 4x4, with little to no changes needed to be an extremely capable and reliable tourer and 4x4.

Can you please be a little bit more specific in regards to all this post sales attention from dealers Indies and aftermarket the defender needs?

We have been through this before on here and to be honest really dont want to get into it again, as already discussed at length, there is very little that actually needs to be addressed to build an extremely reliable expedition vehicle, could count the issues on one hand, none of the issues are fundamental, and all issues can be fixed for under 5k in a day or two at a competent Land Rover independent.

Toyota's 70series issues on the other hand are plentiful, some are fundamental that can't be fixed and others are issues that are very expensive and you would need at least two hands and a 30-50k to get it to the same standards of off-road reliability and capability that a defender has imo.

I don't buy into the Toyota marketing at all. I go four-wheel driving with Hilux's and cruises all the time and they break just as much as any other car, in some scenarios they break down more than other cars, such as mud in the Alt.

Both cars are great cars in my opinion but saying one is better than the other is ridiculous as they are both built for different purposes, and both have issues that need to be fixed from the factory.

Land Rover have no catching up to do with the new Defender they built an amazing car before and they will do it again, discerning buyers that we're not caught up in the Toyota marketing bought the last defender and it will be the same again, however from what I have seen so far I think the user base of the new defender will be much larger as they look to have addressed some of the major pain points that stopped people purchasing the old Defender, namely safety and comfort.

Originally Posted by trout1105

The NEW Defender (When or IF) it finally emerges will be just another Luxury 4WD product from Landrover that will cost squillions and will be worth bugger all in a few years which will be fantastic for us used car buyers But Not so much for the new car buyers.

What are you basing the assumption that the new defender will be just another luxury 4x4?

All the information I have seen to date seems to contradict this.

From what I have seen so far there will be a utilitarian version and also down the track no doubt a luxury version.

Even the current Discovery has this with coils and cloth seats in the s version

First editions of any revolutionary cars tend to be worth huge amounts of money down the track.

You mentioned defenders dont lose money when they leave the factory.

Some of the first Range Rover classics when they left the factory were under $10k now they are fetching $50k most places in the world in good condition 40 years later.

It seems that in some ways Land Rover have some of the best value keeping cars, they also have some that don't hold their value well as they are extremely expensive to start with, fact is they have kicked some major goals over the years with their cars I don't see the defender being any different they have a culture of building revolutionary cars.

I'm pretty excited to see what they have in store for us.