Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by goingbush

Huge interest in a vehicle does not relate to sales . I'm excited & super interested in the new Suzuki Jimny. I love to own one but probably wont buy one . I'm also hugely interested in the LR 2020 & definitely wont be buying one.

Good point, i looked at the jimny, next to zero payload after bar, fuel and 1 passenger.

One things for sure, huge interest is a sure prerequisite to huge sales if expectations of interest are met.

Im on record of tipping 100-200k sales within 3 years

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Good point, i looked at the jimny, next to zero payload after bar, fuel and 1 passenger.

Yes but the jimnys not trying to be something thats its not, it always has been a play car. The defender was always a work car, now its just another suv pretending to be work car

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Good point, i looked at the jimny, next to zero payload after bar, fuel and 1 passenger.

One things for sure, huge interest is a sure prerequisite to huge sales if expectations of interest are met.

Im on record of tipping 100-200k sales within 3 years

I assume you mean Worldwide , And where, not China, not USA & not Australia IMO .

I would like to have an open and honest conversation with LR. (Yes, I realise that will never happen).

Some of my questions would be:
What is your target audience? (Hilux, Ranger or the Merc X Class, VW Amarok) ?

What is your minimum/maximum price range?

Who is your target audience?

No marketing hype or spin - just an honest conversation.

Answers to the above would end most of the speculation and people would be able to work out if the Defender suits their needs.

At the moment there is still too much marketing spin, and not enough facts. IMO

Originally Posted by LRJim

Yes but the jimnys not trying to be something thats its not, it always has been a play car. The defender was always a work car, now its just another suv pretending to be work car

100% agree Jimny is weekend play car and a good one!

New defender is doing a pretty darn good job at just about every scenario its been thrown at from what ive seen. People that have seen it offroad in the flesh agree. Most of previous defenders where not used for work, although they could be used, I cant see anything changing in the new Defender, Looking forward to seeing some vision out of tusk (real working scenarios)

You mention best in class BR

What class do you think it will fit??

So we know it’s a wagon, with maybe 6 seats
2 definite maybe 3 baby seats possible
So it’s not a family wagon

It will have small tanks and compared with a 200 short wheelbase so despite statistics it won’t sell well as a tug

It won’t have copious rear space so it won’t make the ultimate touring wagon

And at this stage it won’t have a tray/tub so it won’t touch the raging DC market




Despite the LR sticker shock poor dealer network and general low sales
The reality is that it will be an excellent off road version of a fortuner?

I don’t think even Toyota would care if it stole 10% of that market share!!

I think they have plonked it in no-mans land
Maybe in other markets it will be a success but I just can’t see too many Aussie family’s stumping up 100 gorillas for an air spring gizmo ridden fortuner?

S

Originally Posted by goingbush

Huge interest in a vehicle does not relate to sales .

Still a lot better than little or no interest at all.

Originally Posted by goingbush

I assume you mean Worldwide , And where, not China, not USA & not Australia IMO .

Yeah, worldwide and per year and in all those locations, especially US. China want EVs, they will go after the Hybrid, although ill admit China is not looking good at the moment with LR ICE options.