Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by SBD4

Hey BR, what would be your intended use for a disco in that config? If you're thinking about offroad then forget it, it needs a dual range transfer box (and air suspension for clearance) and to get that you are forced to have the V6 variants ( and air susp.). That's plus 10K. If you're going to say just add a subframe drop/lift to the coiler then that's more than 10K anyway and moot because you wouldn't have the dual range box.

This is just LRA playing with people and forcing them into corners and making them spend money they shouldn't have to, to get the features they want. In the UK, 'S' spec Discovery comes with air suspension and dual range transfer case with the SD4 engine as standard. As you can see, it's easy to become a little cynical about LRAs approach to the Australian market. In fact they are probably the biggest obstacle to the success of the brand here in Oz as LR vehicles are very good.

LRA will really need to watch that with the defender, they need to allow a base vehicle to be configured with full off road capability without the need to bundle in other stuff (costs) that is not needed.

Hey, allready discussed above, this is why Low Range and AirSusp is an option in AU, grey nomads come to mind + any commercial applications.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l660-defe...st2913084.html

Why pay for something you dont need.

Its like a builder saying you have to have a pool and a diving board when quoting you a house even though you are a paraplegic and will never use the pool. You would find another builder.

People would complain if LR didn't have coil option, and also if they do.

New defender will no doubt based on mules have coil option, people will probs whinge about that too.

Originally Posted by DI5CO

2020 Land Rover Defender to take the fight to Toyota

Good article, some comments on it yesterday from memory

Originally Posted by ozscott

And better rear cargo shape for stuffing it full of touring kit too. But just the fact that you have to pay 30k more than a base D4 to compete with a base D4 off-road is insane.

Cheers

Remember inflation adds approx 10k every 10years

For example a 65k car in 2009 would be priced the same at 75k in 2019

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Interesting, what are the features the D4 has, the D4 doesn't, first of heard of that 1

I actually posted this on the "why we hate the D5 thread". D4 is good because:

• it's basically a box, with a flat bonnet, so you can see where the corners are when in tight places - D5 is curved, including the bonnet
• it has a glasshouse all round, so you can actually reverse it without a camera - D5, really poor rear vision
• it has a low waistline all round and large windows, so it's light and everyone can see out - D5 is like a big Evoque
• second row has three equal sized seats that fold flat (well, in the 7 seater in any case) - D5 has a 30/70 split second row and doesn't fold flat
• third row has heaps of leg room and head room and huge windows with a low waistline, so kids love it back there because they can see out and adults fit too, and it has theatre seating - D5 third row has a low, curving roof, porthole windows that kids can't see out of and way less leg room because of the lower roof, also can't see over the second row seats
• no split tailgate
• it has a really tight turning circle, tighter than my CR-V - D5? maybe

So, basically all of the elements of the D4 that families bought them for didn't get carried across to the D5.

Originally Posted by Arapiles

I actually posted this on the "why we hate the D5 thread". D4 is good because:

• it's basically a box, with a flat bonnet, so you can see where the corners are when in tight places - D5 is curved, including the bonnet
• it has a glasshouse all round, so you can actually reverse it without a camera - D5, really poor rear vision
• it has a low waistline all round and large windows, so it's light and everyone can see out - D5 is like a big Evoque
• second row has three equal sized seats that fold flat (well, in the 7 seater in any case) - D5 has a 30/70 split second row and doesn't fold flat
• third row has heaps of leg room and head room and huge windows with a low waistline, so kids love it back there because they can see out and adults fit too, and it has theatre seating - D5 third row has a low, curving roof, porthole windows that kids can't see out of and way less leg room because of the lower roof, also can't see over the second row seats
• no split tailgate
• it has a really tight turning circle, tighter than my CR-V - D5? maybe

So, basically all of the elements of the D4 that families bought them for didn't get carried across to the D5.

Whilst i agree with some of those points, in context with the article above re: things people like better in the D5, your final sentence would be a stretch imo. Some would prefer the D5, others D4.

Same with new defender, some will prefer new, some old. All good either way.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Remember inflation adds approx 10k every 10years

For example a 65k car in 2009 would be priced the same at 75k in 2019

Inflation has been low. Haven't fact checked that but it doesn't come anywhere near the 30k difference. If someone bought a d4 and then wants to upgrade to the same basic spec on and off-road it's a $30k increase...about the cost of a nice Mazda 3.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

And better rear cargo shape for stuffing it full of touring kit too. But just the fact that you have to pay 30k more than a base D4 to compete with a base D4 off-road is insane.

Cheers

Correct,I can’t see the value at all.Its all the add ons that is rediculous

Then there is the depreciation,at least 10K a year for the first 5 yrs.In reality probably more depending on Ks.

As I have said,it’s designed for a different market than any other Disco,as LR have said,to make way for the new Deefer.

We seem to be parrots here,keep repeating same old.

Those that want one,great,grab one,but for me no way,it’s not the type of vehicle I want.

As for BLackies comment about more accessories coming for it as time goes on,I doubt it.

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Tailgate is open to opinion it seems.

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Everything is open to opinion,but we will have to agree to disagree

Live with the split tailgate for a few years and then you will realise how good it is,as many on here and other sites have said.

A journalist that tests a vehicle for a few days wouldn’t have much idea at all.

Did they mention a bat wing type awning won’t work with the full tailgate on the D5 as it lifts up too high?

Just one of many downfalls compared to the older set up.

No didn’t think so,it just shows how good they are at their job.

Anyway,only my 2 cents worth....