Will be Retro

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

"Sharing nothing with its smaller 71-year-old predecessor, the boxy retro-style 4x4 due in Australia in the second quarter of next year following its global unveiling next month is also expected to appeal to owners and fans of the previous-generation Discovery III and IV (L319 series from 2004 to 2016), since the succeeding technology-heavy and luxury-laden L462-series Discovery V vacated the hose-down family friendly wagon set by climbing significantly more upmarket when released in 2017.

“Keep in mind, we did very well with the Discovery IV here. Many people have bought Discovery Vs, but some others are waiting for something that is square design and utilitarian. And there is a huge market out there for that size and type of vehicle that we know is seducible, and I’m confident we will deliver.

“So, I think new Defender is going to be a car that has broad appeal to existing Land Rover customers – Discovery IV customers for example, previous Defender customers, as well as a whole lot of conquest opportunity, particularly from another popular brand that I am not going to mention."


Fascinating that they admit that D4 owners don't like the D5, but it wasn't the increase in price that was the issue - it was the fact that they blithely abandoned all of the distinctive features of the D4 that were the reason people bought them.

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"Many people have bought Discovery Vs, but some others are waiting for something that is square design and utilitarian."

I dont think this is admiting D4 owners dont like the D5.

There are now almost as many D5s being sold in AU as RRS's

They are just saying SOME feel the D5 is too luxurious for them. LR from memory purposely moved the D5 more upmarket, they no doubt didnt want the D5 and the new defender competing head to head.

I like his honesty.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

"Many people have bought Discovery Vs, but some others are waiting for something that is square design and utilitarian."

I dont think this is admiting D4 owners dont like the D5.

There are now almost as many D5s being sold in AU as RRS's

They are just saying SOME feel the D5 is too luxurious for them. LR from memory purposely moved the D5 more upmarket, they no doubt didnt want the D5 and the new defender competing head to head.

I like his honesty.

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I don’t feel that’s quite right at all. Don’t forget,, I love Land Rover as much as most here, but i’m Also reasonably practical.

We had the option to buy a D5 when we bought the new D4. Based on a couple of factors, we obviously opted for the D4. Not in any particular order as such,, A) Looks, ruggedness (includes space versatility “squareness”), B) Cost, and we ended up with the HSE, and finally C) New car, new design etc — unknown factors.

The fact that there are almost as many D5’s as there are RRS’s tells me they are the “poor mans RRS” so to speak.
Theres also the reality of the fact that accessories are basically not an option for this model, also tells me that no one looks at this car as a serious bush weapon,, “ohhh, an RRS” mentality.

So in my opinion, moving “up market” was a huge mistake for LR. Of course behind every companies moves, are reasons we will never know, but every action has a reaction, and the fact that that there are basically no D5’s out there that are “bush ready” (except for Lee’s), tells me I’m right.

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Originally Posted by Chops

I don’t feel that’s quite right at all. Don’t forget,, I love Land Rover as much as most here, but i’m Also reasonably practical.

We had the option to buy a D5 when we bought the new D4. Based on a couple of factors, we obviously opted for the D4. Not in any particular order as such,, A) Looks, ruggedness (includes space versatility “squareness”), B) Cost, and we ended up with the HSE, and finally C) New car, new design etc — unknown factors.

The fact that there are almost as many D5’s as there are RRS’s tells me they are the “poor mans RRS” so to speak.
Theres also the reality of the fact that accessories are basically not an option for this model, also tells me that no one looks at this car as a serious bush weapon,, “ohhh, an RRS” mentality.

So in my opinion, moving “up market” was a huge mistake for LR. Of course behind every companies moves, are reasons we will never know, but every action has a reaction, and the fact that that there are basically no D5’s out there that are “bush ready” (except for Lee’s), tells me I’m right.

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I've seen a few with bars and AT tyres. I'm seeing more products come on the market for the new Discovery and seeing quite a few more on the roads now. Personally I don't like some of the styling but I would happily own one.

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Originally Posted by Chops

I don’t feel that’s quite right at all. Don’t forget,, I love Land Rover as much as most here, but i’m Also reasonably practical.

We had the option to buy a D5 when we bought the new D4. Based on a couple of factors, we obviously opted for the D4. Not in any particular order as such,, A) Looks, ruggedness (includes space versatility “squareness”), B) Cost, and we ended up with the HSE, and finally C) New car, new design etc — unknown factors.

The fact that there are almost as many D5’s as there are RRS’s tells me they are the “poor mans RRS” so to speak.
Theres also the reality of the fact that accessories are basically not an option for this model, also tells me that no one looks at this car as a serious bush weapon,, “ohhh, an RRS” mentality.

So in my opinion, moving “up market” was a huge mistake for LR. Of course behind every companies moves, are reasons we will never know, but every action has a reaction, and the fact that that there are basically no D5’s out there that are “bush ready” (except for Lee’s), tells me I’m right.

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Cheers for your experience, everyone will have a slightly different take on why they did and didnt. I was just correcting what he meant by that statement(not admiting d4 owners don't like the d5), he said some want something tougher.

I would have probably made the same call as you at the time [emoji1417]

On the accesories front lets remember the car has only been out for approx 2.5 years and some people expect there to be as much available as a 200 series that's been out for 8 years, and also expect to see them all over the trails. Lets not forget how long it took for the D3/D4 to get fully kitted out with everything and to see them regularly on the trails.

We have been over this in wont be retro,
Even so there is now pretty much everything you need to equip a d5 for hard offroad. Having said that out of the box most people would be pretty happy with what it can do with just some wheels and tyres.

Lets not forget a fairly bare bones D5 can be still be ordered

Google lucky8 discovery 5

There are also multiple instagram pages dedicated to offroading in D5, which may surprise you.

Multiple factory roof racks and aftermarket roof racks are now available

This ones exciting, new Full rear storage systems and fridge slides.(not ford everest[emoji23]) New Ford Everest Drawer Storage Systems | Fourby Fitouts | 4wd Drawer Storage Systems

Sliders are available underbody protection is available.

Multiple concealed winch mounts are available.

A proper bull bar is available (only looks good in black in my opinion)
Rhino 4x4 have one in development as per their wensite

Lift kits are available from +.5 to +6inches

Multiple Dual battery kit

18 inch steel wheels

Multiple cargo barriers and dividers.

LR Rear tent

Spotlight mounts

Etc etc

I would say the only thing that is really needed is a rear wheel carrier so that people don't have to carry one on the roof rack, however there are people using towbar mounted rear wheel carriers on Discovery 5's with success in the meantime.





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Originally Posted by Geedublya

I've seen a few with bars and AT tyres. I'm seeing more products come on the market for the new Discovery and seeing quite a few more on the roads now. Personally I don't like some of the styling but I would happily own one.

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I guess ultimately one would need to look back and see how long it took before the accessories were available for the D3. The D4 would have just followed on I guess from the D3. The D5 has nothing ready, and I’m thinking not to many people are going to want to fork out the cash for a test car (D5) to crash test equipment on/with.

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

I've seen a few with bars and AT tyres. I'm seeing more products come on the market for the new Discovery and seeing quite a few more on the roads now. Personally I don't like some of the styling but I would happily own one.

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Agreed, for me i don't mind them in dark colours or with the black roof two option, looks pretty good imo. If the defender wasn't coming I would probably be lining up especially with after the fourby fitouts release.

On that, if they released it for the D5, they will for sure do it for the new defender, love their gear. [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...656e1f6abe.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cd13b9b93d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...acdf69954e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d28849c26f.jpg

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Originally Posted by Chops

I guess ultimately one would need to look back and see how long it took before the accessories were available for the D3. The D4 would have just followed on I guess from the D3. The D5 has nothing ready, and I’m thinking not to many people are going to want to fork out the cash for a test car (D5) to crash test equipment on/with.

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Im guessing you were posting this at the same time as me [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by Chops

The fact that there are almost as many D5’s as there are RRS’s tells me they are the “poor mans RRS” so to speak.

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This has happened before when the Disco was not as popular as it should have been - for a few years about 11-12 years ago the RRS consistently outsold the D3.

Also on the issue of the popularity of the old Defender. Used values were always high as there were generally few on the resale market (compared to other vehicles) which was because very few were being purchased new for a variety of reasons - the old Defender really had very poor new car sales but was sought after as a used vehicle. In my case I looked at buying one new in about 2007 but just could bring myself to fork out $60k for such a dinosaur of a vehicle - wavey panels, holes in the floor etc - $45K then yes. Other people had their own reasons for not buying.

Then for the new Defender sales, things all changed when it became clear they were going to stop being made - new Defender sales went through the roof and for the last couple of years sales were the best they had ever been - not really sure why other than they were going to be no more. I bet LR wished they had sales like that through the whole life of the Defender but they were really pretty dismal.

A lot of people are disappointed the new vehicle will not be like the old one but how many of these people actually bought new Defenders in the past = by sales, very few except at the end.

If the new Defender was going to be like the old then I believe the old routine will kick back in - few new sales but good used car sales. LR has to move with the times afterall it is about to be 2020 not 1948. From what I see this new vehicle will have what modern people want - rugged functionality, boxy shape to fit gear in and those little luxuries that we want on a day to day basis. I thinks sales will be adequate but not poor but not great. The die-hards will not like it and some old D4 buyers might move to it.

For the Australian market only, I think LR has made a fatal mistake in not pushing out a mid level spec dual cab - that is what they need for Australia and have needed it for the last 15 years. Now it is a small company and dual cab utes are not so hot overseas as they are here so as a global vehicle I can understand not having a dual cab ute as the costs would be great. It might come along in a couple of years but for Aust I would have made a dual cab the first release vehicle followed by the 4 door and then the 2 door.

Just my thoughts

Garry

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

"Many people have bought Discovery Vs, but some others are waiting for something that is square design and utilitarian."

I dont think this is admiting D4 owners dont like the D5.

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I'd suggest that's exactly what he's saying - D4 owners really didn't see the D5 as a replacement for the D4, because, as I've noted before, it didn't carry over any of the features of the D4, such as the low waistline, bright and spacious third row, 3 separate seats in the second row and boxiness, that were the strengths of the D4. I did a side-by-side compare of the D4 and the D5 at the dealers - climbing into the rear seat etc, had the kids check them out - and we bought a low Ks D4 instead of a D5.

And, as as an LR salesman in Melbourne very cheerfully told me, people were snapping up the last of the D4s because they knew that the D5 was likely to be riddled with faults for the first few years - which, BTW, it has been (oil dilution, display problems ....). This effect was so marked that the dealer we bought our car from told me that they were selling the last of the TDV6s for $10k more than they had been selling them for a year before.

I also don't buy the "the D5 went upmarket" theory - I saw optioned-up D4s being sold for over $130k, so the people buying them clearly had the cash for the D5. The D4 we bought second-hand would've been about that new (it has at least $20k in options), and I'd presume that the owners traded into a new one similarly equipped. And the interior of the D5s looks cool but it's not more luxurious than the D4.

The truth is that the D5 is a totally different vehicle to the D4 and the buyers noticed that. I had an Evoque as a courtesy car and the D5 is more like a big Evoque than it is a D4.