New defender haters gonna hate..........

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Originally Posted by jon3950

The D3/4s biggest problem with corrugations is that you can travel so bloody fast over them.

I really like the lack of technology in my current Defender and accept the limitations this creates. Equally I enjoyed the technology of the D4. I have no problem with the technology in the new Defender and I’m sure it will prove to be robust.

The things I don’t like about the new one are simply:
- The styling is way too fussy and goes against the form follows function ethos of the original.
- The lack of space in the back of the 110 makes it look like a poor choice for a touring vehicle.
- The bloody price.

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Looking at the actual specs,it is 200mm shorter in the rear with the second row seats up and 100MM lower,than D4.

Just packed my D4 today for another trip away,and if it was 200mm shorter,i will have difficulty.Thats 8 inches!.

Remember the D1 to D2 days,well the D2 was only 150mm longer,internally,and it seemed way bigger.

Yes i know what some will say,leave something behind.....[bighmmm]

Well if it had a larger fuel tank maybe i could turf out the jerry[biggrin]

So the 130 may be the go for me,but its years away.

Oh well,life wasn't meant to be easy[biggrin]

Richard Hammond reveals the new defender.
oops. see if I can fix it.


richard hammond reveale the new defender you tube - Bing video

I didn't like the little lights at the back, as I thought they should be round like the old Defender's/Series', thought they are having a bet each way with rounded off squares, that are being called "squircles". I like them, now that I've noticed they are repeated in the headlights, so the same sort of theme as the old ones, same shaped little lights front and back.

I must say I am more excited about it than the D5. Especially now that I notice stand out black plastic wheel arches can be had, which the old Defenders had, and have given me confidence to go close to objects besides tracks in my D3, although I think I do have a scratch (pro'ly can be polished out) where a twig has slipped off the plastic and onto the paint, which is why I like the "Satin Wrap" idea (I know this can be done now aftermarket on any car). Even better if it had a rubbing strip like down the side of the G-wagens. I like the styling cues, slanted roof, alpine windows, rounded shoulders, flat sides, square back, jump seat, bar like dash, spare wheel on side opening door, etc. I like that the snorkel is on the left side of the car, so the driver doesn't have to see it every time they get in, as they can be rather ugly, although the new one is nicely integrated.

So all told, it is really growing on me, although I'd like to see some drive reports, which don't seem to be available yet.

Hopefully it works out better than some Land Rover products, where the car reviewers didn’t read the manual, or ask about features before going on a test drive and then doing their report slagging off the cars...

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Originally Posted by rick130

I'd love to try it but saying it's more linear than a conventional system?
You can't get much more direct/linear than the force you directly apply to the MC affecting the pistons in the calipers....

I can see it being advantageous from a TC POV and from a high speed perspective you will be able to generate higher brake forces faster in an emergency.
Most people don't hit the brakes near hard enough initially in panic stops.

Or it could be good when doing laps of the 'Ring.....[emoji23]

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Whether it's more linear or not, I'll bet my house it stops better than the old one ever could have dreamed of doing.

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Originally Posted by shanegtr

wou;dnt be hard to run rings around a stock 79 offroad - they are not the best in stock form IMHO.

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Yep. Got all the flex of a housebrick.

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

"However the new Defender hasn't been designed for anything more than being an upper middle class [ high income earner] plaything"

I'm amazed at wild statements such as this, I'm guessing its based on..

*Factory recovery points that no previous Defender had.
*Approach, departure, ground clearance, gearing, equal or better than previous Defenders.
*Larger capacity fuel tank than previous Defenders.
*Centre front row seat option that was dropped in previous model Defenders.
*Deeper fording depth than previous Defenders.
*Better traction control than previous Defenders.

I'm sure there will be many more things the new Defender will do far better than the old model.
It might even be reliable and put together properly.

But dont hold your breathe [tonguewink]

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I’m pretty sure the approach angle is 38 degrees on the new 110 as opposed to 49 in the outgoing model, I’m expecting this to be demonstrated as soon as more car reviewers get them. The old model had less diff clearance but more underbody clearance, and time will tell whether people will be game to take the new ones wading as deep as an old one, assuming they both have snorkels.

Should make for a lot of entertaining YouTube videos! Should keep things interesting until the EV 4WDs make this new defender look old.

I wonder if the approach angle will improve (like some other vehicles) when they start getting fitted with bullbars - all depending on design of course - OE vs aftermarket.

Also gotta wonder when the first one ends up on the ‘I got bogged at Inskip Point’ page as,
a) the bogged vehicle, and
b) the recovery vehicle!