The New Defender

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Originally Posted by scarry

No,we will have to agree to disagree [biggrin]

Range is a huge variable,with these types of vehicles,particularly doing what they are designed to do,off roading and towing,often fully loaded,and at other times running unloaded,around town,or whatever.

But I am sure many would agree for general touring,off roading,towing,something like a usable of 130 litres would be fine,at least,many would like 180.

Anyway,each to their own,but for what we do a larger tank(100 to 130litres as an example)would be very convenient,and as I have said before it’s not just point to point travel.

In fact I noticed a huge difference going from the D2 that I could squeeze 95 litres into,to the D4,which has a usable of around 76.Fuel usage for the two vehicles is similar.

With the new Defender I recon the aftermarket guys will be onto this issue pretty quickly and have aftermarket tanks available.Hopefully it’s not to difficult to do.

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Depends what engine you have and its economy figures

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Originally Posted by CrustyNoodle

Excellent! This is the last piece of the puzzle I needed to be able to work out the full drive away RRP for any specification.

This puts a 110 SE P400 with no options what so ever at $115,510 drive away (+0/-100 due to rego/CTP fluctuations).
And a 110 HSE P400 again with no options at $125,819 drive away (+0/-100)

It will be fairly difficult squeezing too much of a discount out of the stealer for such a new release but under the right conditions I think you should be able to negotiate a 10% to 15% discount, that would put the SE above at ~$102,000 and the HSE at ~$111,700 for a 10% discount - depending on where you apply the discount.

Of course if you were interested in a moderately spec'd HSE (the only variant with Matrix LED's) including the rear locker, tow pack, HUD and privacy glass, you'd be up for $130,551 RRP drive away - that is a lot of coin!

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A lot of coin compared to what?

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

A lot of coin compared to what?

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The previous model defender!

To explain that a bit and to allow others to do the calcs themselves, the prices posted previously (below) are RRP including GST and LCT. The drive away price adds stealer delivery ($4,000 - yeah right!) rego etc. plus options and whatever extra LCT that adds.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

A lot of coin compared to what?

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... One's retirement investments!

Yup so the base model is $80K + ...so all the gumf about New Defender starting at $69,990 is just gumf.

Compared to the many various other choices of 4x4 vehicles well under $80K, $80K is high.

Compared to G Wagen, 70 Series Wagon, 200 Wagon, $80K is reasonable.

$130K? Well if you can afford to pay cash, it doesn't matter what it's compared to. But for most Australians without a business tax deduction on a lease - compared to paying down your mortgage, not paying more interest, etc - $130K is a lot of money for a car, especially in the current fiscal climate; not to mention the climate climate whereby all vehicle manufacturers will be 100% focussed on EV's by 2025.

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Originally Posted by CrustyNoodle

To explain that a bit and to allow others to do the calcs themselves, the prices posted previously (below) are RRP including GST and LCT. The drive away price adds stealer delivery ($4,000 - yeah right!) rego etc. plus options and whatever extra LCT that adds.

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Rrp's are rrp's with every brand.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

Rrp's are rrp's with every brand.

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Apologies... the emphasis should have been on "includes GST and LCT".

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

A lot of coin compared to what?

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That Defender HSE is $5k more than a D5 HSE (with SD6 donk). Will be an interesting dilemma for some, I imagine.

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Originally Posted by blackrangie

A lot of coin compared to what?

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Compared to the first house I brought for $122k[bighmmm]
I think the price will prove to be too high for significant sales - Just by being a Land Rover it will straight away have a limited appeal to the masses in Australia (IMHO), to then put a price that makes it comparable to a 200 series its not a combination for lots of sales. Just look at the price Nissan had to slash from the Y62 patrol to get sales - had the patrol had a diesel option at its launch then they probably would have sold well at the original prices, but with a petrol only its market appeal is limited. For me as much as I love the look of the 110 defender - its not a vehicle that will suit my needs (that need to be a comfortable 6 seater), I'd have to wait until the 130 version, or look at a Y62 or D5. But that's all if I win lotto ideas, in reality I'll be waiting until they are sub $30,000 on the second hand market before I would even consider looking at one