The New Defender in the flesh

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Originally Posted by Jojo

With reservation for the fact I didn't have a measuring tape at hand and didn't pay too much attention I would say the load space with 2nd row seats up is about D1-size, so with all seats occupied only hand bag sized luggage is allowed, unless there are more stowage compartments I have not detected yet (I think there are some) or the roof rack will be put in use.
I did not have that much time for a complete check of the vehicle as there were plenty of people wanting to do much the same, but I have been promised a private and customised 'guided tour' of the New Defender as soon as LR has more demonstrators available, so if anyone of you is having any questions, please post/PM and I will enquire accordingly.

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Hopeless as a tourer with that kind of room,many got rid of their D1 as not enough room in the rear.
It wouldn't suit us,and we don't take the kitchen sink with us when travelling,been travelling for years,and actually travel as light as possible.
Having a small fuel tank doesn't help the issue either,although the aftermarket guys may sort that issue out,hopefully.

The 130 should address this issue, no doubt at quite an increased cost over the 110.[bigsad]

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Originally Posted by scarry

Hopeless as a tourer with that kind of room,many got rid of their D1 as not enough room in the rear.
It wouldn't suit us,and we don't take the kitchen sink with us when travelling,been travelling for years,and actually travel as light as possible.
Having a small fuel tank doesn't help the issue either,although the aftermarket guys may sort that issue out,hopefully.

The 130 should address this issue, no doubt at quite an increased cost over the 110.[bigsad]

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Should work if you don't need the 2nd row seats, though. Have yet to see a 130 to come at some point.

I think the rear cargo is a fair bit bigger than D1, specs say the floor length is 919 mm about 200 mm less than D3/4, D5. I reckon my D1 was 600 to 700 mm could only fit a fridge sideways. I think you could fit a 40/50 litre fridge and draw system but it would be tight. The other problem is width of rear door opening, the only spec I have seen is Upper 898, lower 953 which don’t make sense as it looks like from pictures the upper is wider than the lower maybe should the other way around but still narrow compared to 1150 mm of D5, these specs came from a Land Rover site.

People keep talking about the 130 but I see a few issues

1/ Probably weight another 100 or more Kgs so will need 6 to power it (if they ever do release a diesel) add $10,000 and add $10,000 for increase from 110 to 130 maybe more if extra seats are standard. Means a SE spec would be over $120,000 OR compared to 240 D SE at about $100,000 that’s getting expensive.

2/ Cargo area could be further compromise catering for 3^rd row seats, air conditioning units, storage compartments and spare winder if spare underneath.

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Originally Posted by Rovingwill

I think the rear cargo is a fair bit bigger than D1, specs say the floor length is 919 mm about 200 mm less than D3/4, D5. I reckon my D1 was 600 to 700 mm could only fit a fridge sideways. I think you could fit a 40/50 litre fridge and draw system but it would be tight. The other problem is width of rear door opening, the only spec I have seen is Upper 898, lower 953 which don’t make sense as it looks like from pictures the upper is wider than the lower maybe should the other way around but still narrow compared to 1150 mm of D5, these specs came from a Land Rover site.

People keep talking about the 130 but I see a few issues

1/ Probably weight another 100 or more Kgs so will need 6 to power it (if they ever do release a diesel) add $10,000 and add $10,000 for increase from 110 to 130 maybe more if extra seats are standard. Means a SE spec would be over $120,000 OR compared to 240 D SE at about $100,000 that’s getting expensive.

2/ Cargo area could be further compromise catering for 3^rd row seats, air conditioning units, storage compartments and spare winder if spare underneath.

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Cargo area behind D1 is around 850mm floor length so not far off new 110,and is taller.
D2 was 150 mm longer and similar height to D1.
Both those vehicles also had seats in the rear area if they were 7 seaters that also took up room,they didn’t fold into the floor like D3/4.

Yer,the 130 and a descent sized diesel is going to be pretty expensive.[bigsad]
The larger diesel in the D5 adds around $9 to $10K.

Its hard to get a standardized measurement on luggage volume
But as best as I can establish:

D2 (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 1146L
D4 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1124L
D5 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1137L
New Defender (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 962L (7 seat model is even less)

200 series (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1276L
Y62 Nissan (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1490L

Im sorry but that puts the new 110 way down on the useful size for a tourer list.
It is a mid size SUV by those numbers
and I just cant see how that is going to work well in Aus or US markets.


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Originally Posted by roverrescue

Its hard to get a standardized measurement on luggage volume
But as best as I can establish:

D2 (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 1146L
D4 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1124L
D5 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1137L
New Defender (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 962L (7 seat model is even less)

200 series (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1276L
Y62 Nissan (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1490L

Im sorry but that puts the new 110 way down on the useful size for a tourer list.
It is a mid size SUV by those numbers
and I just cant see how that is going to work well in Aus or US markets.


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From the press pack, it shows new defender loadspace as 1075 in 5 seater. (916 in 7 seater)
... still not great, but not as bad as say L405 (full fat RR ) is 909L and RRS is even less at 784.
Agree not great for touring if you have people in the 2nd row.
If you look at the seats folded numbers however, its a little closer comparison for the defender, at 2380 vs 2406 for D5 and 2470 for D4.
I think if you want to do touring with 4 passengers you might want to wait for the 130, or stick with the D4/D5.

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Originally Posted by Gregz

I think if you want to do touring with 4 passengers you might want to wait for the 130, or stick with the D4/D5.

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Or move on to one of the last two on roverrescue’s list....

Even the LC76 has a huge amount of room,particularly width,maybe even more than D4 although I haven’t measured one.

Volumes I guess can be a little spurious but I took my numbers for JLR products from their offical website specifications?

I honestly believe that vehicle size/volume is more of a determinant than off-road
Capability

For a family wagon the new defender (110) just isn’t going to impress anyone other retiree tourers

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Originally Posted by roverrescue

Its hard to get a standardized measurement on luggage volume
But as best as I can establish:

D2 (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 1146L
D4 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1124L
D5 (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1137L
New Defender (to 2nd row 5 seat model) 962L (7 seat model is even less)

200 series (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1276L
Y62 Nissan (to 2nd row rear seats down) 1490L

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Old Defender 110... 1600 liters.

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Originally Posted by Red90

Old Defender 110... 1600 liters.

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Which goes to show how things have changed, not necessarily for the better. The new D is over 9 inches longer (5018 vs 4785) and a foot wider ( 2105 vs 1790) than the old D , yet somehow they manage to achieve over 500 litres less cargo space behind the 2nd row seats in the new D. :Thump: