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    Quote Originally Posted by Delewis View Post
    I was contacted today by the dealer and informed that the D240 was no longer available for the Defender and would be now offered with the 2lt 300hp petrol (same as in the Velar, etc), and at some stage the 3lt straight 6 diesel (which will be mild hybrid). Therefore, my February 2021 build will no longer be a D240. Not sure whether this effects all current orders or whether I’m too far down the list and they will have run out of the D240 by then?? Either way, the dealer was not able to provide any price information yet on the new options.

    Edit: I think the P400 is still an option too.
    I would cancel that order and wait to see all the MY21 options first. The D300 SE is possibly now the pick of the bunch if you want a diesel.

    Don’t trust the dealer until you have all the facts.

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    Any Aus specs on the Diesels?
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    D240 v P400

    Can’t see any info on the MY21 Defenders on the LRA website. There is something ethically questionable when dealers sign people up for a MY21 vehicle when they don’t even have the details themselves on what they will have.

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    Interesting thread...

    (I've no advice for Delewis that hasn't been mentioned already)
    Apart from: check the status of deposit refund-ability if you can't be supplied with the vehicle you sought.

    That said, the off-road-ability showroom-fresh is a huge selling point for something that's reportedly comfy on the tar.

    It also looks like there's some functioning/owner-responsibility for ad-blue and ensuring that you do the odd longer run to activate the DPF high-temperature burn-off run exactly as they should.
    My Freelander2 diesel - prior to "active" DPF (I believe there's some 'out there' with their own heating element) - it makes me wince driving short distances with it but I'm out of choices. Even so, apparently a 15 minute freeway run is sufficient to 'clear it out'.

    I've been daydreaming over an electric- or electric-boosted replacement for the 2011 TD4 - (which has been a great vehicle, suiting my geriatric needs to perfection). (And has done some intimidating off-road, only ever let me down with clearance).
    Jaguar i-pace is fast, some surprising off-road cred, but 'tow-bar' was left out (deliberately). And bloody pricey.
    The big advantage of pure-electric is that while the 5-year WOL equation is woeful, a 10-year WOL costs actually beats ICE. 15-20 years - gets better and better.
    The Disco-Sport (never say Freelander3!) PHEV is going to get my very close scrutiny. 62km pure-electric, 6.6 secs to 100kph, a theoretical (giggle, giggle) 175mpg? But... the complexity...

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    Wheels - 17”

    Quote Originally Posted by Delewis View Post
    G’day all,

    First time poster (aside from the introductions thread). I freely admit I’m completely new to Land Rovers and have never owned a 4WD. However, I have been going outback and off road for years on motorbikes. Now I want to be able to take the family on weekenders and multi-week trips around Oz. I don’t need to be able to do rugged off-road driving or rock crawling.

    As a one car (and two motorbike) family, the final say is always going to be with my wife – she does most of the urban driving, she is fussy (discerning?) about the way a car looks and drives, and flatly refuses to consider a Japanese or American 4WD. One thing we have always agreed on is that the Discos (especially the later models) look great and appealingly utilitarian. So when the new Defender demos arrived in Melbourne, we went for a test drive. Took about 1 minute for us to decide we loved the whole package. I’m not usually impulsive, but when my wife agrees to open the purse to buy an awesome new toy, I’m not going to stand in her way. I would normally thoroughly research before committing. This time, I just hit the buy button. We chose the D240 with some minor extras. Delivery in Feb 2021.

    Having now had the luxury of doing some pretty extensive ‘research’, I’m now wondering if the D240 is the right engine for our use. The issues created by pollution control measures for diesels of many brands seem to outweigh the benefits depending on usage. I opted for the diesel as I had assumed (not having owned a diesel) that it would be simpler, more efficient, possibly more reliable and with a longer lifespan. Reliability and longevity are the most important criteria to me. However, it seems that the diesel engines are hampered by DPF issues (I know this is not isolated to Land Rovers) and require periodic regeneration cycles to keep it clear, etc. This is just not practical for a vehicle which will be overwhelmingly used for short urban trips. Then there are the reports of high metallic contamination in the oil.

    I am therefore considering changing the order to a P400 which sounds a lot more exciting performance wise! In doing so, I would be capitulating on my long held commitment to never buy a hybrid (albeit a ‘mild hybrid’) as I regard it as introducing unnecessary complexity and weight to a vehicle. And it is a transitional technology. However, it seems to be the better option for what we’re looking for.

    I hope I am not putting anyone’s noses out of joint – and if I’m wrong in any of my assumptions, I would appreciate being corrected. I’m keen to learn as much as possible from a mechanical/technical point of view about the Land Rovers. I prefer to purchase vehicles that offer something distinctive and appealing in style and/or performance and accept some idiosyncrasies. I am also very willing to mod where possible to overcome known flaws – as long as the warranty isn’t voided!

    I would be interested in any feedback on the diesel v petrol dilemma.
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    If possible, I recommend 17” wheel rims because you get a far wider choice of off road tyres from decent AT (city & off road) to hard core off road. I have a Freelander 2 with 18” wheels and can really only get General Grabber AT tyres (which I am very happy with).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilch View Post
    Straight six in D250, D300 and potentially D350 MHEV format would have been my first choice if
    they had been released within the initial launch period. To impatient to wait, so P400 it is
    I would have got a P400 but I couldn't wait and ended up with a Disco 5 SD6. If buying now I would go for the new 6 cylinder D250 or D300 mild hybrid in either D5 or Defender, depending on final choice. The AdBlue in the D5 is terrible. I use around 1l/100km when towing so I have to fill up every 1500km. Much longer between refills when not towing though but my car is almost exclusively used for towing.

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    Given my bad experience with my Discovery Sport and it's DPF, I would definitely suggest P400. I always gets anxious when I don't travel long distances for 2 weeks that it might block the DPF again. Already had 3 DPFs replaced. This is only regret when I bought my Disco Sport.

    I ordered a P400 HSE last month and exicited to get it on December 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julzmd View Post
    Given my bad experience with my Discovery Sport and it's DPF, I would definitely suggest P400. I always gets anxious when I don't travel long distances for 2 weeks that it might block the DPF again. Already had 3 DPFs replaced. This is only regret when I bought my Disco Sport.

    I ordered a P400 HSE last month and exicited to get it on December 2020
    I would be excited as well

    So the Sport didn't have a DPF gauge,and switch, to initiate a DPF burn if needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julzmd View Post
    . I ordered a P400 HSE last month and exicited to get it on December 2020
    that is quick, is that from incoming stock or built to order??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukiwa View Post
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    If possible, I recommend 17” wheel rims because you get a far wider choice of off road tyres from decent AT (city & off road) to hard core off road. I have a Freelander 2 with 18” wheels and can really only get General Grabber AT tyres (which I am very happy with).
    No chance of 17's fitting the defender.
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