Nah, needs to be over 100 to catch the trucks on their limiters.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDB
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Nah, needs to be over 100 to catch the trucks on their limiters.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDB
All i can say is that i have compared the app to my petrol receipts and they are not that far out, so by virtue of that it is good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
I am not going to be overly anxious on the minor difference that i have observed in real world vs what the Land Rover software is reporting
I think the general fuel economy figures when towing are really quite good, certainly agree with earlier comments regarding towing speed though, it's quite significant. My D4 with about 3.3t behind it is in that same general vicinity and really if you're towing something like that a couple l/100 one way or the other is not the major concern, the issue really is about range. Having said that look at a Nissan patrol, similar power and torque figures and 130 litres of fuel but the big one is they will tolerate ULP, along with diesel it's readily available in more remote places, not so much PULP. I'm not sure about the defender being able to cope with it, (ULP) does anyone know?
The capacity thing is pretty moot... 90l / 20per 100 is 450km
An LC 200 with the same load is looking at 24-25l/100km and with its 130L tank is only good for another 90km before its done.
If a larger tank comes out for the P400 it will be a winner....
Fuel consumption average (whose average, what speed and where?) when towing is very hard to pin down but I think once they've settled in there are no big fluctuations. Unless you're gunning it in heavy traffic down a motorway, then belting up to 110km/h in a headwind followed by trying to get the trailer onto two (one side) wheels though a mountain range.
In my experience, what fuel consumption a vehicle driving solo achieves in regular heavy traffic is about what it'll achieve towing a heavy trailer. There are always exceptions though.
I would take the figure published as possibly being on the high end. With a combination of a light right foot and if towing a lighter trailer, I'd guesstimate a fuel figure in the mid-high teens for the P 400.
Having said that, I towed a 3.2tonne van with a Jeep GC t-d once. Before that, I'd towed with other, identical GCs and similar vans, averaging 18L/100km at the most. I calculated my fuel costs on that. Despite being fairly new, and performing 'normally for a GC, that bloomin' thing was extra thirsty, never got less than 21L/100km towing over 6000km in the Outback. Often up to 24L. Someone else drove it afterwards solo and their figures were also unusually high. Something was wrong with it.
So what I'm saying is, a one-vehicle, one-test fuel figure is not gospel. If readers were actually paying for such testing, and manufacturers made available more than one vehicle, so better testing could be done, then you might be more certain about it. But the internet is 'free', talk is cheap and everyone's an expert. Sorry. I'm ranting.
We will have to agree to disagree.Its not really moot at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Sure, the P400 is a great vehicle even without the larger tank, although if the 130 arrives, hopefully one will be factory fitted.
Looking at the towing range, using the reported fuel consumption at unknown speed, allowing for a 10liter margin,range is realistically around 400KM.
A mate has a late model, virtually stock Sahara,and uses an app for fuel consumption, towing his van at 3100KG.At an 'actual' average speed between 90 and 100Km/hr,it will generally do between 17 to 21l/100,depending on conditions, head winds, etc.
Using 20l/100 as a figure, with 10liter as a safety margin,128L, that is a range,of 640Km.
Range of over 50% more than a stock, empty P400,towing similar weight, with no mods and no doubt empty, at whatever speed.
The big thing is reliability, the P400 is highly complicated, turbo and supercharged,mild hybrid,i suppose time will tell.
So we're talking about a $120k car, and people are splitting hairs as to how accurate the fuel consumption figures are or how much better the other $120 k car is.
For my part if you want a Toyota then buy one, if you want a Land Rover then Buy one, if you can't afford either then don't buy one.[bigwhistle]
Another good read,but US,so many models we dont get here.
Overland SUV of the Year - Expedition Portal Overland Journal
I am not sure whether this vid has been put up but us a great test - worts and all of the new Defender towing in Australia.
Land Rover Defender - Highway Towing Test & Weigh-In - YouTube