New Deefer on 35's

**TerryO** · 23rd August 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by SBD4

Same trip as the TFL Bronco vid:

These guys really don’t like using momentum, they would rather sit there spinning wheels rather than rolling over obstacles.

cheers,
Terry

**one_iota** · 23rd August 2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

These guys really don’t like using momentum, they would rather sit there spinning wheels rather than rolling over obstacles.

cheers,
Terry

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

**Tombie** · 23rd August 2021, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by one_iota

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

It can however also do the exact opposite

As slow as possible; as fast as necessary.

**Slunnie** · 23rd August 2021, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by one_iota

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

But technique and technology will get you even further than just technique alone.

They're 2 seperate things.

**TerryO** · 24th August 2021, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by one_iota

Someone here once said that technique can sometimes get you to places where technology alone can't.

Agreed, who ever said that was a wise man indeed. …

**one_iota** · 24th August 2021, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

It can however also do the exact opposite

As slow as possible; as fast as necessary.

Yes, there are two types of technique: right and wrong.

**one_iota** · 24th August 2021, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

But technique and technology will get you even further than just technique alone.

They're 2 seperate things.

Exactly as he said.

**ramblingboy42** · 24th August 2021, 09:40 AM

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

**one_iota** · 24th August 2021, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

Well everyone knows that the classic Defender was the most capable 4wd to come out of the factory, except these people:

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**Loubrey** · 9th September 2021, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

here we go....

we have this vehicle , several years in the making , lauded loudly by all and sundry here as the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

already there is an ever lengthening list of modifications to make this vehicle the most competent 4wd to ever come out of a modern factory.

I don't get it.......

I think Ineos is going to destroy the Defender

The majority of these "mods" are vanity based and really not required, so no reflection on the ability of a stock vehicle.

I've got a couple of very good friends who instruct at Eastnor Castle Experience Centre and the stock L663 P300 Defender 90's (on coils) they drive at the experience centre runs absolute rings around the stock L316 Defenders they have left over. The new ones are in fact so good, that they have re-opened the old Camel Trophy selections area as the tracks that only the old Defenders could do was no challenge for the new Defenders.

I've had limited opportunity to test my new D250 90 properly off-road, but the little bit I have done, its has done with so much more ease and comfort than the old 90 ever managed.

People like lift kits for what they look like, and the aesthetic enhancement they support, like big wheels. I have never lifted any of my Defenders over the past 28 years and other than fitting 33" tyres, they have all been stock and no less capable than the ones with all the money spent on them.

This will be the same approach with my new L663 Defender and I'll put money on it that a vehicle with thousands of dollars will only be marginally (if at all) capable than a stock vehicle on 33" tyres.

The Grenadier is going to cost more than the new Defender on every comparable model, so they will be killing themselves with lack of sales long before it has a chance of becoming a real rival.

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