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    Guidance on Defender options

    Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

    I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

    The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

    First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

    The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

    Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

    MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

    Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

    Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more.

    For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

    I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

    I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage.

    Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

    Vincent

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    Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

    Had our P400 SE now for 8 months, so food for thought if i may from a "long term owner"

    I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

    I deliberately chose the SE over the HSE for the exact same reason i did not want the Pano roof, the sunroof on our
    MY10.5 RRS has been open about 6 times in 11 years

    D300 MHEV has plenty of torque and go from all accounts of owners who have taken delivery, may be worth popping over to
    the FB owners groups as there is a lot more information. I think the D250 is the sweet spot if you want 18" wheel/tyre size
    choices. I have the P400, it is a great cruiser and provides a good return on long trips, 10.1l/100 KM's between Sydney and
    Airlie Beach..

    The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

    First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

    At $806 dollars it is a steal and i would option it, it is also partnered with torque vectoring to enhance on road
    handling manners as well, it was the first thing i optioned up, as i know there will be just that one time when
    off road in a hundred i wished i had it. My previous experience in our RRS with E-diff shows it is far more composed
    compared to D3/D4's/RRS's without it when tackling off road terrain, it smooths out the obstacles more so than just
    the centre diff, less scrabbling, more poise, it may also help to make the vehicle stand out a bit when you come to sell


    The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

    Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

    I optioned the tow pack (factory fitted) that automatically included TR2, APTC, Configurable TR etc. Auto comes in
    handy if you are a lazy off roader

    edited: You can select Off Road "height" in any range, and yes it will retain Off Road 1 height up to 80 KPH, and grass,
    gravel snow is available as i remember in High Range, a number of programmes i know insist you select low range ..
    so terrain programme specific


    MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

    Very rarely used the clearview, only only when i have stacked the rear load area to the gills with crap to take to
    the dump


    Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

    You can always get the roof wrapped after market, may be a far cheaper option

    Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more.

    I paid my deposit in September 2019, with a projected delivery of June 2020, that was optimistic, we picked it up literally
    12 months after paying the deposit due to all the covid related delays..


    For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

    I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

    Check on your corporate JLR plan whether the agreement stipulates discount against selected models or all new JLR
    vehicles, our company one stated "all new JLR vehicles" and JLR Australia honored the 10% discount against the
    vehicle and factory fitted options, must be one of the few that got that


    I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage.

    Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

    To finish, after 40 years of driving Landies, and 30 years of owning, i would say the new Defender puts the biggest
    smile on my face when i get behind the wheel, it is a beast and a great vehicle, you will not be disappointed



    Cheers Jim

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    Hi Vincent. If you're mostly a city person, the petrol engine is going to be happier living with you than the diesel is. You'll dodge some potential wear and tear issues that occur with diesels that only do short trips with a lot of start/stop. A mate of mine who's city based but has done a decent amount of weekend exploring has averaged 12.5L/100km in his P400 over the past six months so it's not outrageously thirsty.

    The locking rear differential ("e-diff") is a very significant performance enhancer, especially off-road but also as Zilch mentioned with the torque vectoring system on the bitumen. If you are at all inclined to zoom through the twisty bits, you might be glad to have this. The other consideration is resale: for buyers like me this is not an option, it's a must-have.

    TR2 is nice but not essential. It doesn't let you get to more places, it just enables the car to do more for you in service of getting there. Let me say though that on any dirt/gravel road that you could drive a 2WD passenger vehicle, you do not need to engage any special mode with the Defender. It's got a permanent all-wheel-drive system (there are some big changes to the way that is implemented on the new diesel models but the description is still usable) and it's completely at home on Aussie back roads. A different terrain mode is best thought of as the last thing you should reach for, after you've made appropriate choices for suspension height, tyre pressure, transmission mode (normal vs sport vs manual select) and high/low range. This is actually where TR2 has some distinct benefit because you can set it to "Auto" and the vehicle does a damn fine job of managing the throttle response and wheel spin control to match the conditions you're driving in. On sand especially I was blown away by how well "Auto" performs.

    Hope it all goes well for you, and maybe you'll share some stories of your Defender travels with us in the future.

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    Thanks for the feedback

    Another question what tyres size are people going for, I am leaning towards the 19" rims as they are the smallest I can fit over the std 20". I am thinking this will provide a better outcome for sand driving.

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetpea View Post
    Thanks for the feedback

    Another question what tyres size are people going for, I am leaning towards the 19" rims as they are the smallest I can fit over the std 20". I am thinking this will provide a better outcome for sand driving.

    thanks
    i have 19', but the tyre choice is very limited to Goodyear AT Adventures or Duratracs, there is more off road tyre
    choice in the 20's. If you are on Facebook, join the "all new defenders owners group", plenty of discussion on there
    about tyres etc from across the globe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetpea View Post
    Hi, another new member of the forums and looking for some input into some of the options before going further with an order for an MY22 Defender.

    I completed a test drive yesterday after requesting the pricing guide and options list. The new MY22 configuration enable me to focus in on the starting point as I don't want a sunroof so SE 110 defender is where the journey begins. Same old question P400 or D300, only drove the P400 always had petrol and apart from a few longer trips we are planning for next year due to COVID I don't do a lot of miles. The normal low km's concerns me with Adblue and the particulates issue. The salesperson said on the D300 they are not seeing these issues, still leaning to the petrol, its uses fuel but for a SUV its gets up and goes when you put your foot down.

    The salesperson provided a lot of good information and somethings I was not expecting.

    First one was the car is fine without the rear e-diff ($806), from all the hours reading I know it can't be added afterwards. Not 100% certain what the benefit is? Can someone please advise if they have it use it and where? Is it needed? In reality the car will spend 95% on road but I will be looking to hit beaches where you need a 4x4 to access and some inland tracks plus we do intend to explore the top end of WA (Trip for next year).

    Im pretty much the same, doing 90% on road but try to do a camping trip every month and planning to explore the top end of WA next year. I opted for a P300 and picked the off-road pack for $1400 as it comes with the e-diff, roof rails and a domestic plug (all to help with some off road adventures hoping to do with the Def). Was limited with what I can do with my Evoque.

    The advance off-road pack with Terrain Response 2 and config TR is not required $2210 so an expensive addition. Said if I am okay with telling the car I am in sand or on gravel then no need for the auto system. I was told that it does not provide any more off road features apart from allowing me to create a custom mode - not sure I know better than the car and would I use it - probably not after the first trip. I am fine with selecting the 4x4 mode. Can I confirm you can select an off-road mode in high range and do 80km/hr on gravel?

    Also said if I want a tower get it fitted with the build $1400 compared to $3000 at the dealer? Is this what other have experienced? Not sure I need a tower, don't plan to get a caravan, my wife has made a few things very clear

    Opted for a tow hitch receiver for $1400 as I'd love to tow and get a caravan. Also from a resale perspective it sounded better to have it done cheaper in the factory.

    MY22 build clear view is now an option - spent the drive using it to see if it worth $1495, found this a weird decision as its one of the key features that all the reviews mentions - got to say it worked well and was usable. Do you use it, would you get it as an option?

    Added the clear view as I often fill the boot with my wifey's party planning stuff so being able to see thru the camera will help in my case. I read it also helps with the camera views when you're offroading but dont think it adds great value if you're not constantly filling the boot to the roof.

    Really wanted the green with white roof, but $2k for a white roof, no way - will now be a green car all over.

    Wait time was 6-7ms, so order now and get it for xmas................Good news is even with the options I am still under my $120K budget but I am ignoring all the extras after the order which will cost $5k more. - my initial order was in Jan for a P300 S, then the change in specs meant that the S was canned and I had to go for a standard and add options. I lost leather trims and now have to spend 7k for windsor leather so I'll be going for aftermarket trims. And ordering some accessories to be fitted post delivery. The FB page is great for updates and ideas. So orderd in Jan and ETA is Sep. Hope it arrives on time.

    For reference the Dealer in Perth is only doing BTO deals, zero movement on price, trade-in will be agreed now and re-evulated 1m before delivery. I intend to add a clause that if the value drops below a certain level the deal is void. Otherwise I am open to being shafted. He told me that's not what they are about but my wife was unimpressed from a legal view point.

    I will get corporate package included and did ask about issues with the car, but sort of see 5 yr warranty as going a long way to making me happy with that side and all the servicing as well sort of helps.

    I got the corporate servicing included but with the warranty the dealer said that will depend on whatever is on offer at delivery and not the offer when you placed the order. I'd love to have the 5 yr warranty. The dealer delivery was also included so if they're charging you for it, there's some savings.

    I was surprised how big the car is, and confirmed this morning it will fit in my garage. - haven't checked this, hope it fits in my garage.

    Thanks for any help provided, I am sure these questions get asked many times.

    Vincent

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    Re the 5yr warranty I read that as a change in policy and not a JLR special like Audi are doing at the moment. As far as I am concerned if I buy the car or place an order now it comes with the 5yr warranty. Will add that into the contract, its going to get a few clauses added, still need to get the wording on the trade-in right, but will go for a min % reduction which could be interesting.

    The MY22 build for the SE is different again as roof rails are std and so is leather seats. I not quite sure I see a use for the AU plug as its limited to 180W and the car must be running. Which pushes me to the TOWING pack rather than the OFF-ROAD pack. Never looked at a car with so many options and packs. looking at the two packs and a tow-bar I will pay $400 for Advance tow assist - reading the LR description makes reversing with a trailer easier and I expect that will be needed.

    Never looked at the P300 version but its only available as a DEFENDER 110, you are not getting a reduction in fuel economy but saving $22k of the SE P400 price. But as you have stated lose a lot of options.

    I think the SE is the right model for me, but it comes at a cost. Might still give the diesel D300 a test drive, but its only 2l/100km fuel saving and I have driven fast cars now for the last 20yrs it hard to go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetpea View Post
    R I not quite sure I see a use for the AU plug as its limited to 180W and the car must be running. Which pushes me to the TOWING pack rather than the OFF-ROAD pack.
    I would suggest to add the e-diff rather than the whole off road pack.. improved on road manners and
    enhanced off road capability when needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by zilch View Post
    I would suggest to add the e-diff rather than the whole off road pack.. improved on road manners and
    enhanced off road capability when needed
    This. I haven't specified any of the 'packs' just gone for the stuff I wanted, such as the e-diff.
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    D300 and P400 Price Difference

    Any idea of the price difference between the P400 and D300 (SE)?

    Assume also the P400 uses Premium 98 or at a minimum 95?
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