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    Quote Originally Posted by one_iota View Post
    A lot of passion there!

    Fortunately, you along with others here are not being forced to have either the car or the bullbar. It sounds like neither is an appropriate answer to your driving needs whereas it is for mine. My old Defender with its ARB bullbar no longer suits my needs.

    While we are getting opinions on this thread about the suitability of the LR bar nowhere have I seen or heard of any direct experience with this bar in an animal strike incident nor have I come across a qualified engineer's opinion. So all we can do is speculate and in my case hope that if I do have an animal strike it won't be catastrophic. edit: It will be much better than no bar!

    As for aesthetics ugliness is in the eye of the beholder.
    The problem is , the areas you can/will drive without needing proper protection is shrinking, not growing. I live about 1.5hrs south of you, and Deer impacts are common, same north of Penrith.
    A deer/roo in an offset hit would make your vehicle immobile, to mine and others with older style Bull bars, its just a speed hump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantic View Post
    The problem is , the areas you can/will drive without needing proper protection is shrinking, not growing. I live about 1.5hrs south of you, and Deer impacts are common, same north of Penrith.
    A deer/roo in an offset hit would make your vehicle immobile, to mine and others with older style Bull bars, its just a speed hump.
    Deers aren't currently a problem around where we travel between the big smoke and the Blue Mountains and Lithgow and further west, Certainly wombats can get in the way as well as the the occasional roo. Plenty of folk here travel in vehicles without protection.

    Being immobilised is not a probable outcome given the bar I have and in spite of your opinion I think we'll be okay. Thanks for your input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one_iota View Post
    Deers aren't currently a problem around where we travel between the big smoke and the Blue Mountains and Lithgow and further west, Certainly wombats can get in the way as well as the the occasional roo. Plenty of folk here travel in vehicles without protection.

    Being immobilised is not a probable outcome given the bar I have and in spite of your opinion I think we'll be okay. Thanks for your input.
    Deer are a growing problem, should be the start of your response
    Feral Deer

    But contradicting your self is funny, "plenty travel without", so why pay $5-6k for a thing you believe you don't need?
    Immobilized is a 50% chance given the 2 intercoolers locations getting zero protection, but if your only doing main roads/ hwy work , that's not an issue.
    Good luck with this if/when there is a large creature that gets in you way, hope its the 50% in your favor and your/your passengers are ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantic View Post
    Deer are a growing problem, should be the start of your response
    Feral Deer

    But contradicting your self is funny, "plenty travel without", so why pay $5-6k for a thing you believe you don't need?
    Immobilized is a 50% chance given the 2 intercoolers locations getting zero protection, but if your only doing main roads/ hwy work , that's not an issue.
    Good luck with this if/when there is a large creature that gets in you way, hope its the 50% in your favor and your/your passengers are ok.
    I have a rule here. When ever I'm quoted I try to reply. It's a matter of courtesy even though the reply might be brusque.

    So in summary what you are saying is I shouldn't drive this vehicle where there might be a deer just in case something bad happens because I have bar that is no better than nothing. Are you recommending I should just stay at home or only drive to the train station or somewhere safe.

    Please don't insult my intelligence. I've driven my old Defender to and through every state and territory in this wide brown land on good roads and bad. I've managed the risks. No difference to how this vehicle will be managed. Sure anything is possible but are those bad things probable?

    Thanks for the lecture but you have no evidence or engineering to back your opinion. Outside AULRO there is a much bigger world. I've done a lot of research on this vehicle over the last year or two and I've not come across one example where the intercoolers have been a major factor in any collision with deer, moose, marsupials or anything else.

    The bar I've chosen is precautionary not an absolute guarantee...nothing is.
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    I’m somewhat amused with the opinions of some on this forum.
    Sure, share your experience, advice and opinion.
    If someone makes a decision, they think suits their need; it’s their choice, their risk, their car and decision.
    I drive a D4, no bull bar. Driven 1,000s of Kms off road, remote, rural. So far, not hit a thing. Lucky? Fortunate? Blessed by the Gerry McGovern design gods? I don’t know.
    I won’t criticise anyone for fitting something they want, need or like…you could also be T Boned at a set of traffic lights by some drunk numbskull…life is unpredictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimmAus View Post
    …you could also be T Boned at a set of traffic lights by some drunk numbskull…life is unpredictable.
    In one of the most bizarre traffic accidents I've seen, a friend was killed this way by a freak inhaling aerosol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    In one of the most bizarre traffic accidents I've seen, a friend was killed this way by a freak inhaling aerosol.
    Sorry to hear this. My condolences.

    To keep this somewhat light hearted, and on topic… I bet the bull bar choice made no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimmAus;[URL="tel:3180363"
    3180363[/URL]]Sorry to hear this. My condolences.

    To keep this somewhat light hearted, and on topic… I bet the bull bar choice made no difference.
    Long time ago, but thanks. And no, none at all.

    BTW, I was only agreeing with you about unpredictability. Not even ( insert symbol of belief system of choice here &#128578 could have predicted that particular event. Getting struck by lightning would be more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimmAus View Post
    I’m somewhat amused with the opinions of some on this forum.
    Sure, share your experience, advice and opinion.
    If someone makes a decision, they think suits their need; it’s their choice, their risk, their car and decision.
    I drive a D4, no bull bar. Driven 1,000s of Kms off road, remote, rural. So far, not hit a thing. Lucky? Fortunate? Blessed by the Gerry McGovern design gods? I don’t know.
    I won’t criticise anyone for fitting something they want, need or like…you could also be T Boned at a set of traffic lights by some drunk numbskull…life is unpredictable.
    My experience has been similar, although I have hit the tail of a kangaroo that I'm sure damaged the headlight globe as it didn't work after that, headlight was fine though, and also drove/ramped over a kangaroo in the dark that had been hit and killed by another/other cars on a highway. I do slow down if I see wildlife, I remember flying down a dirt road one time, marvelling at how well the air suspension handles the bumps/corrugations, when I saw kangaroos alongside, and thought "hang on if one of those jumps out now..." so slowed right down. I've always thought if I do hit something when I get the front fixed I will get a bullbar, I like the Land Rover one, expensive I know, but I do think it is the nicest bull bar I've seen.
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    You can also put it in the context of:

    Prior to returning to 4wds I had a plethora of high powered street cars.

    These did thousands of kilometres on highways between cities. Including Perth to Adelaide non-stop (fuel stops only), Adelaide to Brisbane multiple times non-stop, Adelaide to Sydney, Adelaide to Canberra and Adelaide to Melbourne (all return drives).

    In all these trips the only impacts were a Galah, a cat, a fox and about 2000 Cane toads!

    A recent trip in her ‘new’ RRS had me doing Brisbane to Whyalla through the night including the Cobar to Broken hill run!

    No animal strikes, not even a close encounter.

    It can really be a case of good or bad luck.

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