Carsguide Defender beat LC300 and Patrol

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

The more expensive Toyotas have hydraulic sway bar control and some apparently also have adjustable rear suspension height, so they're not exactly uncomplicated.

Ditto the Patrol, it has a hydraulic system to reduce lean when turning.

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I presume you are talking about the Aus designed KDSS system in some models of LC200,which has a reputation of being extremely reliable,and simple.It also has no where near the complications of EAS.If there are issues it is not a show stopper,unlike some EAS faults on later model LR's,that drop the vehicle to the bumps stops,etc.

Ditto for the system on the Y62,very reliable.

FWIW,only the GRSport in the LC300 range uses the KDSS system.

The biggest problem and omission from that review is the fact that you can no long order a D250! The cheapest entry into a diesel Deefer is now the D300 which will set you back about $114k without any options.

I wonder if that would have influenced their result.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

At the end of the day it is the Market that will decide which is the better vehicle regardles of what car jurno's have to say[bigwhistle]

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Exactly! Albeit, a market guided by false advertising and information. [smilebigeye]

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Originally Posted by scarry

If they looked at long term reliability and ownership costs,including resale,no doubt both the Jap vehicles would be way ahead.

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Bahaaa…..
Currently swapping my 18 RRS against a L663 and when doing the maths I was rather pleased by resale value etc.... oh and fuel consumption was one litre worse off than the company Jap hatchback. Better rely on real ownership experience than pub talk I say. Every time I read this, it confirms why Jap vehicles attract consumers at different income levels than JLR products. m

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Originally Posted by Summiitt

There is no such thing as a vehicle that is not highly complicated, if people think a LC is the type of vehicle that can be fixed in the bush then they are kidding themselves. long term reliability on both the LC 300 and Defender cant really be gauged as both are new on the market, though Id be interested to know if anyone has over 100k on a new defender yet??

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There are a few owners overseas that have over 100,000km on a new Defender. The first production ones came out in late 2019, so it’s certainly possible.

From what I have seen - there have been a few trim issues, but mostly software glitches. (Easily fixed with over the air updates)

Remember a lot of the composition (engines, trans, pivipro, etc) are already shared with other LR products - so they aren’t all brand new components.

I am only 18,000km in - but very happy. Exceedingly so.

Cheers,
GG

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Originally Posted by 100inch

Bahaaa…..
Currently swapping my 18 RRS against a L663 and when doing the maths I was rather pleased by resale value etc.... oh and fuel consumption was one litre worse off than the company Jap hatchback. Better rely on real ownership experience than pub talk I say. Every time I read this, it confirms why Jap vehicles attract consumers at different income levels than JLR products. m

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Not pub talk,my own experience…..

I have never been fixated on fuel economy,I don’t know why so many are,particularly when depreciation is generally the biggest hit of all,by a country mile.

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Originally Posted by 100inch

Bahaaa…..
Currently swapping my 18 RRS against a L663 and when doing the maths I was rather pleased by resale value etc.... oh and fuel consumption was one litre worse off than the company Jap hatchback. Better rely on real ownership experience than pub talk I say. Every time I read this, it confirms why Jap vehicles attract consumers at different income levels than JLR products. m

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So when was the last time you Owned a Jap 4WD ?

As for Jap 4WD owners being from "A different income levels to JLR owners", Besides being an incredibly Snobbish thing to say it is a load of old cobblers as I highly doubt that this forum is solely populated with millionare JLR owners.
Personally I don't care what other people drive nor do I need to own a 4WD with a "Look at Me" factor, All I require is a 4Wd that does what I ask of it without too much fuss or bother.

I have owned Many different "Breeds" of 4WD's and the couple of Landrovers that I have owned have been memorable and I have enjoyed owning them As I have owned and enjoyed Many Jap 4WD's.

I have Never had the blinkers on when buying a 4WD, Boat or anything else, My ONLY criteria has been that whatever I buy HAS to be value for money and IS the purchase suitable for my needs.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

So when was the last time you Owned a Jap 4WD ?

As for Jap 4WD owners being from "A different income levels to JLR owners", Besides being an incredibly Snobbish thing to say it is a load of old cobblers as I highly doubt that this forum is solely populated with millionare JLR owners.
Personally I don't care what other people drive nor do I need to own a 4WD with a "Look at Me" factor, All I require is a 4Wd that does what I ask of it without too much fuss or bother.

I have owned Many different "Breeds" of 4WD's and the couple of Landrovers that I have owned have been memorable and I have enjoyed owning them As I have owned and enjoyed Many Jap 4WD's.

I have Never had the blinkers on when buying a 4WD, Boat or anything else, My ONLY criteria has been that whatever I buy HAS to be value for money and IS the purchase suitable for my needs.

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I drive Toyotas every day at work in the most remote parts of the world. Yourself?
...... was not suggesting that all LR owners are millionaires but there is definitely a high level of tyre kickers on here, with car ownership history which make me yawn. Hence JLR doesn't produce for them. m

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Originally Posted by 100inch

I drive Toyotas every day at work in the most remote parts of the world. Yourself?
...... was not suggesting that all LR owners are millionaires but there is definitely a high level of tyre kickers on here, with car ownership history which make me yawn. Hence JLR doesn't produce for them. m

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I spent the majority of my working life in the Mining, Farming and Fishing game So I am NO "Stranger" to remote travel.
I am now retired and I still spend a lot of time in remote areas that can only be accessed by 4WD.[thumbsupbig]

You are right about JLR no longer producing vehicles for the masses or for the mining, farming or tradies market and only producing luxury SUV's now for the elite's and the "wannabe" elite's.
This is the reason why the Jap brigade and their "Tyre Kicker" owners vastly outnumber to JLR products on the road and in the bush.
There is also the issue of backup, support and parts availabillity (including accessories) that the Jap brigade can support which is sadly lacking for a JLR product unfortunately.

You may be looking at things from a different perspective from your ivory tower But the people you like to refer to as "tyre kickers" I much prefer to call them "Enthusiasts" regardless of the brand/make of 4WD they own.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I spent the majority of my working life in the Mining, Farming and Fishing game So I am NO "Stranger" to remote travel.
I am now retired and I still spend a lot of time in remote areas that can only be accessed by 4WD.[thumbsupbig]

You are right about JLR no longer producing vehicles for the masses or for the mining, farming or tradies market and only producing luxury SUV's now for the elite's and the "wannabe" elite's.
This is the reason why the Jap brigade and their "Tyre Kicker" owners vastly outnumber to JLR products on the road and in the bush.
There is also the issue of backup, support and parts availabillity (including accessories) that the Jap brigade can support which is sadly lacking for a JLR product unfortunately.

You may be looking at things from a different perspective from your ivory tower But the people you like to refer to as "tyre kickers" I much profer to call them "Enthusiasts" regardless of the brand/make of 4WD they own.

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Do you actually own any LR product at this stage?