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Having driven independently sprung air suspension vehicles for over 10 years, I wouldn't go back to solid beam axles. I know the solid beams work better if wheel articulation is needed, but for my driving, I have never had any issues in the High Country or in the Outback. I love my touring and you just can't beat independent suspension on undulating and corrugated roads. So the IG is out for me.
I don't really agree with the comments about coil-spring solid axle vehicles needing to be uncomfortable...with the right coil/shock combo and some nice lambswool seat covers, my D2 is very comfortable and still handles very well (ACE helps of course). My D2 feels much more nimble and handles better than my L322, which rolled more and understeered, being a much heavier vehicle with a lot of weight in the nose (TDV8). My D2 with coils all round is just as comfortable on dirt as my L322 was and I don't have the hassles of things going wrong with the air suspension. Lighter vehicles are also much easier on tyres/brakes/suspension/steering components as well of course...the wear and tear on the L322 was much greater than D2 and I presume the Ineos is a fair bit lighter than the new 110 Deefer.
My main concern about the Ineos would be the BMW mechanicals, although on balance, over a long-term timeframe, I suspect the Ineos may have fewer glitches than the new Deefer. Having said that, probably a good idea to buy the second iteration of the Ineos to give them a chance to improve a few things...
I noticed that going from D2 to D4 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by feraldisco
In fact I don’t miss the D4 at all.
Unfortunately the Ineos isn’t any lighter than New Defender.
Sorry, could you explain what you noticed?Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
It's a little obscure... To me anyway!
I think he's referring to the weight difference between D2/4 and all the problems that go with that - 700kg is a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by shack
I can't talk about D3/4s, but the L322 was harder to park and place on track than the D2 and also seemed to drain it's large new battery quickly with all it's electronica. Bottom line is that D2s make for a very practical touring vehicle and relatively cheap to maintain in terms of wear and tear items. The one good thing about my brief L322 ownership was that it suddenly made the D2 seem very easy to work on!
Don’t get me wrong the D4 is a much nicer ride,but your paying for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shack
Wears out tyres quicker,suspension components,fuel usage,brakes,and higher maintenance generally,timing belts,batteries,etc.
I had exactly the same type and brand tyre on both(slightly different sizes)and the D2 tyres lasted around 20,000Km longer,as an example.
It’s not a fair comparison though.Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
The D4 for example - more torque off the line, corners better, brakes better. All of these contribute to wearing tyres etc.
And people tend to drive towards the vehicles “feel” so you were likely driving a bit harder than you would in the D2.
Fuel burn, my D4 is better than my TD5
Brakes, my D4 had new rotors and pads when I upgraded (didn’t wear out) at 20,000km and still going at 178,000km. My TD5 is on its forth set of rotors at 265,000k
Batteries, I get same life as I did on the last 5 Land Rovers, and better than my Falcons/Commodores etc
Refinement for refinement you just cannot compare consumables such as suspension bushes (which the D2 went through also). Power makes a big difference to wear of tyres and brakes.
Tyres - even same brand will often have differing compound and or variables (size etc) which greatly affect wear date & ride.
As for weight - my D4 is lighter than my D2 was…
I do only because of the rort that is "luxury car tax". It was designed to protect the local car manufacturing industry. So if you can avoid paying a silly tax good luck but if the new defender doesn't have carpet as standard spec how can that be "luxury"? [tonguewink]Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoJeffster
it's marble?Quote:
Originally Posted by one_iota