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Thread: Ex. Army Series 3 GS 109 6 cyl 2.6ltr - Never Say Die

  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dordie View Post

    I plan to do some work most nights so I can get her back on the road late this year. Still having trouble finding a good water pump which is a bit frustrating, but where there's a will, there's a way...
    I have been able to get NOS 6-cyl water pumps but the supply has dried up, I will ask again.

    In the meantime Land Rover 2.6 Litre Water Pump 564197
    Interesting that the body is aluminium because all I've seen have been cast iron.

    The other option is to see if you can scrounge a secondhand one and fit a modified 4-cyl pump repair kit (you have to machine the impeller). I'm part way through repairing one but need to make some more tooling but life & a few other projects have got in the way.


    Colin
    '56 Series 1 with homemade welder
    '65 Series IIa Dormobile
    '70 SIIa GS
    '76 SIII 88" (Isuzu C240)
    '81 SIII FFR
    '95 Defender Tanami
    '58 Series II
    Motorcycles :-
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    I couldnít believe the state of that water pump! At least you have all the bits, but obviously hard to work with a cracked casting. I had a contact for 6 pot parts who suggested $980 for a new water pump, which I thought was a bit steep despite being NLA, but he is MIA now so canít pass on the details. It might be worthwhile contacting Peter Haylock at all 4 x Four in Kotara. I have found he sometimes has various rarer SIIa and SIII parts that are not openly listed for sale.

    I wonít be doing a full resto...in fact my plans initially were similar to yours, but my vehicle in slightly worse condition (albeit with a functioning water pump). But I hate welding upside down, so I figured Iíd invest a few months more time and do a full strip down and rebuild on the chassis and firewall. After just coming through a full resto on my SIIa Iím not keen on committing to all that body work, sanding (Iíve only just grown back my fingerprints) and painting again, so while Iíll refresh everything that needs it sheíll be keeping her patina. I plan on this one seeing a bit of fun (aka beach and off road work) anyway Ex. Army Series 3 GS 109 6 cyl 2.6ltr - Never Say Die. Rolling bare chassis as of today, up onto the rotisserie this weekend. I do really need to start a build thread...but look forward to seeing your next instalment-

    Cheers,

    Matt

    Cheers, Matt

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    1971 Series 2a 4-cyl (restored)
    1976 Series 3 6-cyl ex-Military GS (undergoing restoration)
    1976 Series 3 202 (in storage)
    1967 Series 2a 4-cyl (dismantled)
    1967 Series 2a 186 (sold)
    1974 Series 3 202 (dismantled)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I have been able to get NOS 6-cyl water pumps but the supply has dried up, I will ask again.

    In the meantime Land Rover 2.6 Litre Water Pump 564197
    Interesting that the body is aluminium because all I've seen have been cast iron.

    The other option is to see if you can scrounge a secondhand one and fit a modified 4-cyl pump repair kit (you have to machine the impeller). I'm part way through repairing one but need to make some more tooling but life & a few other projects have got in the way.


    Colin
    Thanks for the tips Colin. Shame the alloy pump is sold out. I'm sure there's a few NOS pumps covered in dust sitting on a shelf somewhere..... they seem to be Land Rover unobtanium.

    Dordie

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    Quote Originally Posted by drfish View Post
    I couldnít believe the state of that water pump! At least you have all the bits, but obviously hard to work with a cracked casting. I had a contact for 6 pot parts who suggested $980 for a new water pump, which I thought was a bit steep despite being NLA, but he is MIA now so canít pass on the details. It might be worthwhile contacting Peter Haylock at all 4 x Four in Kotara. I have found he sometimes has various rarer SIIa and SIII parts that are not openly listed for sale.

    I wonít be doing a full resto...in fact my plans initially were similar to yours, but my vehicle in slightly worse condition (albeit with a functioning water pump). But I hate welding upside down, so I figured Iíd invest a few months more time and do a full strip down and rebuild on the chassis and firewall. After just coming through a full resto on my SIIa Iím not keen on committing to all that body work, sanding (Iíve only just grown back my fingerprints) and painting again, so while Iíll refresh everything that needs it sheíll be keeping her patina. I plan on this one seeing a bit of fun (aka beach and off road work) anyway Ex. Army Series 3 GS 109 6 cyl 2.6ltr - Never Say Die. Rolling bare chassis as of today, up onto the rotisserie this weekend. I do really need to start a build thread...but look forward to seeing your next instalment-

    Cheers,

    Matt

    Hi Matt,

    Wow, $980 for a NOS pump is amazing and way outside my budget. I'm not surprised though.

    I'm impressed with that level of stripdown. I think you're taking the right path. I'll be pulling my tub soon so I can prep the chassis and paint. I was going to paint the chassis black, but it left Army service in green, so I'll return it to this configuration. I painted a small test area and it's amazing what a lick of paint does to improve the look of the item.

    Thanks for the tip to contact Peter in Kotara, I'll do that.

    Anyhow, if I can't find a pump I was thinking of making an adaptor plate and fitting a pump from another model or make of vehicle, or going for an electric pump with a block off plate and outlet installed in place of the original water pump. Anyhow, will cross that bridge when I come to it. Still have a bit of time.

  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dordie View Post


    I was going to paint the chassis black, but it left Army service in green, so I'll return it to this configuration. I painted a small test area and it's amazing what a lick of paint does to improve the look of the item.
    I think that they were supplied by LRA with a black chassis but the army re-painted the vehicles multiple times in service with olive drab.
    This meant that parts of the chassis are green over black.

    My IIa came from someone who was ex-army. He told me that if the 'top brass' were visiting then all the vehicles were repainted. This explains the multiple layers of paint peeling off the bodywork.

    Problem is do your restore to 'as supplied' or 'as it ended up in service' ??

    Colin
    '56 Series 1 with homemade welder
    '65 Series IIa Dormobile
    '70 SIIa GS
    '76 SIII 88" (Isuzu C240)
    '81 SIII FFR
    '95 Defender Tanami
    '58 Series II
    Motorcycles :-
    Vincent Rapide, Panther M100, Norton BIG4, Electra & Navigator, Matchless G80C

  6. #66
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    Never say die

    I have just purchased a ex army 1979 109 GS with the 6 cylinder petrol, not original engine though, your doing a great job, I have started pulling apart as it has been sitting for 9 yrs, still turns over by crank, Thanks for all your pics an tips, now gives me more insight to the 6. Carry on the good work.
    Clive

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