Carrying an LPG bottle on roof rack

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Originally Posted by DeeJay

It gets pretty confusing as the Worksafe sheet posted for Vic is for trade vehicles, not private vehicles. Worksafe have no jurisdiction over the everyday motorist.

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This is correct and I will still stand by this statement. It is NOT illegal to carry a 9 kg bottle in a private vehicle for private use.

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Originally Posted by d2dave

This is correct and I will still stand by this statement. It is NOT illegal to carry a 9 kg bottle in a private vehicle for private use.

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Page 16 Point 1


Do not transport cylinders containing toxic or flammable gases


in enclosed vehicles.






[ame]http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/whs/COP/BOC_Guidelines_for_Gas_Cylinder_Safety.pdf[/ame]




Still not sure about legality but I would still bet your insurance company would negate your policy in the case of an accident/fire

And above that it says 'Guidelines For Gas Cyl Safety". Guidelines and law are totally different.

It is a bit like putting a two metre length of timber on your roof rack. The law says that you need to tie it front and rear.

However, if I am selling the timber I can have my own guidelines suggesting that you tie it in three places.

I will put money on it that if I went to a BOC store and purchased a swap and go LPG, I could put it in my car.

That same document also says on page 16, immediately above point 1:

If there are no other practical methods of transport, enclosed vehicles may be used subject to the following recommendations: (My emphasis.)

Is a vehicle enclosed if a window is open? The comment in that document about the boot suggests that the vehicle is no longer enclosed if it has an opening to the outside.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

That same document also says on page 16, immediately above point 1:

If there are no other practical methods of transport, enclosed vehicles may be used subject to the following recommendations: (My emphasis.)

Is a vehicle enclosed if a window is open? The comment in that document about the boot suggests that the vehicle is no longer enclosed if it has an opening to the outside.

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The bottom line is it is not illegal to transport a [9 kg or smaller] gas bottle inside a vehicle anywhere in Australia.

I am also yet to see an insurance clause which prohibits it for private purposes.

Guys,
Next time you are at a Bunnings or Servo, go read the instructions on the swap cage.
I would not want anyone to end up in court trying to convince the magistrate ( & hopefully not coroner) that a Defender Wagon or commodore type is not an enclosed vehicle.
I stand by my comment that carrying a LPG cylinder in an enclosed vehicle- whilst not taking it to be refilled & straight back home again- will invalidate your insurance. Legalities aside....Your insurance company knows that $50,000 does not buy you much court time & they can- & will- string things out till you crack.
Benji made a comment & I, being in the LPG industry for 25 years, I could not let it pass.
I downloaded the dangerous goods transport code book as the company I work for ( not BOC) Safety Site Manual refers to it with regards BBQ cylinder transport & it is 322 pages with later addendums and it took 15 minutes to read 20 pages, so defer to the BOC Bulletin above.

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Originally Posted by DeeJay

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Again, you are confusing recommendations/guidelines and the ***law***.

Go and park a van or wagon (i.e. no boot) next to a gas cage at any bunnings and they will happily swap your bottle and watch you load it into your car. They sell them with plastic plugs in for this reason...

EDIT, just found the Elgas/Swap&Go instructions:

Avoid transport inside passenger compartment
DO NOT transport 9kg gas bottles loose or laying down
Keep 9kg gas bottle cool and away from flames, sparks & heat
DO NOT leave 9kg gas bottles in enclose vehicle unnecessarily
Ensure 9kg gas bottle valves are turned off firmly when not in use. Do not over tighten
Maximum two 9kg gas bottles in enclosed vehicles


"Avoid" is not the same as illegal. The fact that the later sentence says you can carry 2 bottles in an enclosed vehicle proves my point.

I suppose you are still going to argue the point???

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Again, you are confusing recommendations/guidelines and the ***law***.

Go and park a van or wagon (i.e. no boot) next to a gas cage at any bunnings and they will happily swap your bottle and watch you load it into your car. They sell them with plastic plugs in for this reason...

EDIT, just found the Elgas/Swap&Go instructions:

Avoid transport inside passenger compartment
DO NOT transport 9kg gas bottles loose or laying down
Keep 9kg gas bottle cool and away from flames, sparks & heat
DO NOT leave 9kg gas bottles in enclose vehicle unnecessarily
Ensure 9kg gas bottle valves are turned off firmly when not in use. Do not over tighten
Maximum two 9kg gas bottles in enclosed vehicles


"Avoid" is not the same as illegal. The fact that the later sentence says you can carry 2 bottles in an enclosed vehicle proves my point.

I suppose you are still going to argue the point???

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Ben,
Please cut & paste where I said it is illegal.

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Originally Posted by DeeJay

Ben,
Please cut & paste where I said it is illegal.

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How about you provide some proof that an insurance company has ever invalidated a claim because a (9kg or smaller) gas bottle was being (temporarily) transported inside a private vehicle for domestic purposes? [EDIT: excluding caravans and/or permanent mounting of gas bottles inside]

Or even insurance fine print that says the same.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

How about you provide some proof that an insurance company has ever invalidated a claim because a (9kg or smaller) gas bottle was being (temporarily) transported inside a private vehicle for domestic purposes? [EDIT: excluding caravans and/or permanent mounting of gas bottles inside]

Or even insurance fine print that says the same.

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Ben,
Good dodge :p