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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    Ben,
    Good dodge
    OK - you (unlike Collins) have not said it is illegal, however you have said it is against [workplace] codes of practice and said many times your insurance will be invalidated. However you have provided no proof whatsoever.

    The fact is that every state legislation (and the info on gas swap cages) says you can temporarily transport at least 1 <9kg gas cylinder in a vehicle provided it is upright.

    So everyone needs either a trailer / ute / roof rack to go and pick up a swap and go bottle without invalidating their insurance. please...

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    The vic law (and naturally each state has its equivalent) is: dangerous goods (transport by road and rail) regulations 2008, not the ADG Code

    Flip to page 34ish. Rule 26 special provisions for tools of trade and private use.
    I did not see any stipulation such as straight to filling or swap and go.
    Also it does give an allowance for upto 50 (liquid) litres to be transported in the passenger compartment

    FWIW i completely agree with the recommendation that you transport LPG outside the passenger compartment wherever possible.

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    Had to go to Bunnings today in Shepparton and BOC is across the road, so I called in.

    My question to them was, if I get a swap and go can I put it into my car, pointing to my disco. His answer was no problems, perfectly legal for two 9 kg bottles, can't have three.

    He did say however that I could not put one 15 kg bottle in the car.

    I did question him about what DeeJay posted, in post number 32 and he said he did not know anything about it and that it was probably company guidelines.

    In this day and age of chain of responsibility and litigation, there is now way known that a company like BOC would allow it if it was not legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    In this day and age of chain of responsibility and litigation, there is now way known that a company like BOC would allow it if it was not legal.
    I can ask a member of the forum who is a manager in BOC. I won't mention his name.

    BTW, I mounted the bottle carrier upright.
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    I kinda find it odd how things other posters put up get attributed to some one else involved in the discussions.
    No where have I said you cannot take bottles down to get refilled, nor have I said it is illegal to carry bottles in an enclosed vehicle.
    I think this web page covers what I am trying to put across.



    www.elgas.com.au/blog/393-legality-of-gas-bottles-for-caravans-urban-myths




    I think if you were travelling around Aus with a bottle stored in your Defender and you had an accident that Firies attended & wrote it in their report, your insurance company has found an "out" with regard to settlement

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    That link refers to an insurance company having an out if you have more than the limit or if you are breaking the law. If we stay inside the law the insurance will not have an out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE BOOGER View Post
    That link refers to an insurance company having an out if you have more than the limit or if you are breaking the law. If we stay inside the law the insurance will not have an out.

    So the question still remains. Can you legally carry a BBQ cylinder inside a 4x4 wagon, apart from taking it away & exchanging it?
    I believe not

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    So the question still remains. Can you legally carry a BBQ cylinder inside a 4x4 wagon, apart from taking it away & exchanging it?
    I believe not
    Yes you can.
    Sry i am on the road now so i cannot post a link, google the vic law that i referenced earlier.

    Ill copy and paste the contents, if necessary, when i am able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSmith View Post
    Yes you can.
    Sry i am on the road now so i cannot post a link, google the vic law that i referenced earlier.

    Ill copy and paste the contents, if necessary, when i am able.

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    Please do because my copy of dangerous goods (transport by road and rail) regulations 2008 - 2014 edition has no reference from pages 0-50 at which point I was going ga ga. All the pages around 34 were only definitions. No Rules.
    There are 756 pages in all - 3 files totalling 62 MB & I went thru them all.
    AS1596 does have a page on small cylinder transport in passenger vehicles but it says "for information" & says to unload the cyl as soon as practical.

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    T756 pages, We are looking at 2 different documents then.
    Where did you get it from?
    The code for transport?, available from here:
    NTC - National Transport Comission
    Does not contain any Regulations, it is the technical reference.

    The regulations for Vic is what I am looking at, available here:
    DANGEROUS GOODS (TRANSPORT BY ROAD OR RAIL) REGULATIONS 2008

    The copy I had on my laptop was out of date
    but the rule I referenced is correct:

    Rule: 26 Special provisions for tools of trade and dangerous goods for private use

    For those not in the industry LPG is classed as Division 2.1

    (1) This regulation applies to a load (an applicable load) if?
    (a) the load includes?
    (i) an aggregate quantity of dangerous goods of less than 500 that does not include any dangerous goods of Division 2.1 (that are not aerosols) or Division 2.3 or Packing Group I; or
    (ii) an aggregate quantity of dangerous goods of less than 250 that does include dangerous goods of Division 2.1 (that are not aerosols) or Division 2.3 or Packing Group I, provided that dangerous goods of Division 2.3 and Packing Group 1 together constitute less than 100 of that aggregate quantity; and
    (b) the goods are not being transported in the course of a business of transporting goods but are being transported?

    (i) by a person who intends to use them; or
    So the scenario of having it inside a 4x4 for the purpose of touring is acceptable
    (ii) so that they can be used for a commercial purpose.

    (2) A person transporting an applicable load is exempt from all obligations imposed by these Regulations other than those imposed by this regulation.

    (3) A person must not transport an applicable load unless each package in the load?
    (a) complies with the packaging requirements appropriate to the quantity of dangerous goods, as specified in Part 4 of these Regulations; and
    (b) is appropriately marked (defined in regulation 5); and
    (c) is loaded, secured, segregated, unloaded and otherwise transported in such a way as to ensure that?
    (i) its packaging remains fit for its purpose; and
    (ii) the risk to any person, property or the environment is eliminated, or if it is not possible to eliminate the risk, is minimised to the maximum extent that is practicable.
    i.e. window open a fraction or other ventilation, keep out of direct sunlight, cylinder upright etc

    (4) Omitted, irrelevant for this discussion

    (5) If an applicable load contains an aggregate quantity of dangerous goods of Division 2.1, Division 2.3 or Packing Group I of more than 50, a person must not transport the load?
    (a) in the passenger compartment of a vehicle; or
    (b) in any other enclosed space in the vehicle.
    So as long as you keep the aggregate quantity under that 50L threshold you may transport it in the passenger compartment

    The Elgas website gives the fill capacity of a 9kg gas bottle as 16.6L

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