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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    I recall reading an article about using overnight standing water out of taps first thing in the morning.

    Apparently the water leaches out certain ingredients from brass fittings (not sure, but I think Cadmium was one ?????) but I'd be surprised.



    Recom. was to flush the taps first.


    I don't know how legit this theory is, but these days I give the system a quick flush when selecting potable water.

    The Toilet Pan or shower doesn't bother me as I don't normally drink water from there.

    Whether this applies to Mains &/or Rainwater no idea, but I would suspect some Mains water with associated treatment chemicals ie. Chlorine could do this.
    I agree with John, it's lead, and not many years ago there was a fuss about tapware being sold by discount hardware and supermarkets having a lead level that was above the recommended limit. I believe the majority of it came from China. I hope the problem has been sorted by now.
    Don.

  2. #202
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    I am getting serious with the soup and steamer bins.

    I have one usable one which only needed sand blasting and replating.

    Another one I fitted a new bottom to with sand blasting and the need to replate.

    I purchased some pure tin and try and set my self up to electrolytically replate the bins.

    I also set up a acid wash ect and Low voltage DC power supply.
    My plating efforts were not successful.
    I got in a friend who used to do electroplating commercially.
    I got my information from the the internet and you tube.
    What I have learnt, is what someone does small scale on you tube, doesn't mean it will work on a large scale and on 70 year old metal.
    I was using acid and with tin it needs to be a alkaline solution, heated and with cyanide as well.
    5 volts DC and about 300amps would be good too.
    I do not want to go stuffing around with cyanide.
    Also I have learnt electroplating must be done on perfectly smooth clean metal.
    A sandblasting finish will lead to a poor tin coating as the tin will only coat the high spots of the surface.
    The bin I fitted the new bottom to needed to be sealed with tin and if possible the whole inside of the bin tin wiped.
    It turns out acid dipping and sand blasting still will not get the old bins surfaces clean enough to do a good tinning job using heat and wiping by hand.
    On copper cook ware you will get away with it, but not on old steel.
    It also turns out the old bins are coated with something, but even if it is tin, the old tin is dirty and will not let the new tin take and flow.
    I did end up sealing the bin with a new bottom in its lower corners with tin, but re tinning the whole inside of it was not a option.
    If the bins were new ,manually heat spreading of the tin would have worked.
    I still have the vegetable steamer baskets to replate and they are rusted in a way that I will not get a smooth surface or get them clean enough for tin plating, even if done professionally.

    What all this means
    1/ I have wasted time and money, but have learnt alot.
    2/ new stainless steel replacement steamer bins and baskets are the way forward.
    ( I have a design in my head for new bins and baskets which I should be able to make and
    look and operate near original)
    3/ in the short term two steamer bins have been sand blasted and sealed etc and painted silver.
    ( they will be operational but cannot be used for cooking due to the possibility of the paint
    coming off and going into the food.) ( the old rusty bins can be still fitted to the cooker to complete the look
    of it)

    The steamer pipes for the bins have been remade in stainless steel, but the stainless pipe was going too difficult to bend in a very small radius , so currently brass, but later stainless steel 90 degree elbows are now used.

    I just could paint everything up like they are at the museums with these cookers in them, but I want this one fully usable in all respects and why the stainless option, even though its going to be alot of work.

    The steamer bin lids have been sandblasted and painted, and as they are not in direct contact with food I should be able to get away with that...........professionally tinning of them is not possible due to the rough surface due to old age and old rust pits.
    They are hard to make and the old ones with paint are serviceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101 Ron View Post
    I am getting serious with the soup and steamer bins.

    I have one usable one which only needed sand blasting and replating.

    Another one I fitted a new bottom to with sand blasting and the need to replate.

    I purchased some pure tin and try and set my self up to electrolytically replate the bins.

    I also set up a acid wash ect and Low voltage DC power supply.
    My plating efforts were not successful.
    I got in a friend who used to do electroplating commercially.
    I got my information from the the internet and you tube.
    What I have learnt, is what someone does small scale on you tube, doesn't mean it will work on a large scale and on 70 year old metal.
    I was using acid and with tin it needs to be a alkaline solution, heated and with cyanide as well.
    5 volts DC and about 300amps would be good too.
    I do not want to go stuffing around with cyanide.
    Also I have learnt electroplating must be done on perfectly smooth clean metal.
    A sandblasting finish will lead to a poor tin coating as the tin will only coat the high spots of the surface.
    The bin I fitted the new bottom to needed to be sealed with tin and if possible the whole inside of the bin tin wiped.
    It turns out acid dipping and sand blasting still will not get the old bins surfaces clean enough to do a good tinning job using heat and wiping by hand.
    On copper cook ware you will get away with it, but not on old steel.
    It also turns out the old bins are coated with something, but even if it is tin, the old tin is dirty and will not let the new tin take and flow.
    I did end up sealing the bin with a new bottom in its lower corners with tin, but re tinning the whole inside of it was not a option.
    If the bins were new ,manually heat spreading of the tin would have worked.
    I still have the vegetable steamer baskets to replate and they are rusted in a way that I will not get a smooth surface or get them clean enough for tin plating, even if done professionally.

    What all this means
    1/ I have wasted time and money, but have learnt alot.
    2/ new stainless steel replacement steamer bins and baskets are the way forward.
    ( I have a design in my head for new bins and baskets which I should be able to make and
    look and operate near original)
    3/ in the short term two steamer bins have been sand blasted and sealed etc and painted silver.
    ( they will be operational but cannot be used for cooking due to the possibility of the paint
    coming off and going into the food.) ( the old rusty bins can be still fitted to the cooker to complete the look
    of it)

    The steamer pipes for the bins have been remade in stainless steel, but the stainless pipe was going too difficult to bend in a very small radius , so currently brass, but later stainless steel 90 degree elbows are now used.

    I just could paint everything up like they are at the museums with these cookers in them, but I want this one fully usable in all respects and why the stainless option, even though its going to be alot of work.

    The steamer bin lids have been sandblasted and painted, and as they are not in direct contact with food I should be able to get away with that...........professionally tinning of them is not possible due to the rough surface due to old age and old rust pits.
    They are hard to make and the old ones with paint are serviceable.

    [QUOTE] due to the rough surface due to old age and old rust pits.


    Doesn't bode well for us olde Codgers does it Ron? So, no tinning of us to extend our lives. Bugger!


    EDIT. It would have been much more convenient for Wiles to do all that plating stuff as they also operated an Electroplating/ /Hot tin/Galvanised/Plant in Manchester St Mile End. The walls & roof were eaten away with all the fumes & it must have been a hell of a place to work, or Die.

  6. #206
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    The little Wiles has been in use.

    Not much more has been done to it.

    One new stainless steel vegetable basket has been manufactured from scratch.

    I have moved onto other projects for the time been.

    The wiles has been a subject of two paintings.
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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by 101 Ron View Post
    The little Wiles has been in use.

    Not much more has been done to it.

    One new stainless steel vegetable basket has been manufactured from scratch.

    I have moved onto other projects for the time been.

    The wiles has been a subject of two paintings.

    A Monet & a Constable no less.


    I shall look forward to the time when you recommence work on it again Ron.

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