19th December 2015, 12:15 PM
most of my plates in the boiler and oven seem to be in reasonable nick, I can only see one that I am missing and that is the inner top side plate for the roasting oven P/N CU97.
It looks as though the army may have tried to lighten these things up a bit as it does not have a full set of fire bars fitted in either the boiler or oven. instead they have used 3 fire bars and welded cast drainage grate in between. I did manage to pick up a full set of fire bars (14 for the boiler and 7 for the oven) So I will fit them up during the rebuild.
I took a second look at my tea urn and noticed what you are talking about with the copper inner urn, it appears ok. I will indeed be indeed be interested in one of those as well. Do you have or know the whereabouts of one of the tea urn placards? Mine does not have one.
My steamer bins have all of the fittings and 2 baskets, I believe that this is the way that they were supplied (2 baskets only).
Tool wise, I have 2 of the tube cleaning braces, 1 scraper and the remains of either the shovel or the poker (it is a handle only).
I did manage to also pick up 2 NOS sets of steamer pipes with valves for the juniors. This is for the steam side coming out the back of the flue. The seem to be mostly good but I will have to replace a couple of elbows as they are pitted. On top of these I also obtained 2 sets of the brass valves for the sight glass that go on the boiler and the following back and side plates for the boiler, Back plate P/N CU14, Top side plates P/N CU16 and CU17.
I believe my water tank is ok but I have not opened it yet. it is missing the wing nuts to remove the lid and has a couple of ordinary nuts instead.
As soon as I can get the oven and boiler in pieces I will have a better idea of how bad the casings are.
19th December 2015, 12:38 PM
I may be able to help with the tea urn plate. I've got some scrap bits to look through. Are the fire bars the correct size for the junior. I only saw the longer ones in the parts which were for the senior firebox which is bigger. I got a set of level glass valves as well but did you make sure you got the correct ones? There were left and right handed valves.
19th December 2015, 02:04 PM
The fire bars that I got are 2 different sizes, the long ones which I thought were for the boiler and the short ones which In thought were for the oven. So are you saying that the fire boxes are deeper on the Senior?
As for the valves, It appears I have one set of each.
20th December 2015, 03:48 PM
I will stand corrected on the fire bars but that is my belief that there are two different sizes. If you look at the parts book it states at the top of every page
"WHEN ORDERING STATE IF FOR JUNIOR UNIT"
Do you have a copy of this book
20th December 2015, 09:04 PM
I may need to stand corrected, I took a closer look at my "drainage grate" fire bars fitted to both the boiler and oven fire boxes. It would appear that they may actually be factory castings. I will post some pictures when I get everything in pieces (everything is still taking penetrating oil). Maybe there is a difference between early and late production cookers in the fire bars? or perhaps it was a late mod for the juniors to keep weight down?
20th December 2015, 09:36 PM
This is the manual that I have, it is stamped on the pages as for a Wiles Distributor and is wartime printed.
I may be wrong but it would make sense from a logistics point of view to make that statement about stating if it is "for a junior unit". They do have some major differences that I have seen in the boiler fire box and oven, (RH opening fire box on the boiler as opposed to LH opening on the Junior), and oven configuration ( fire box on the LH side of the senior and RH side on the Junior). I have also noticed that the steamer bins on a senior are larger than a junior. How far the differences extend to the rest of the parts would make a good discussion topic in itself.
Does your manual give any differences between senior and junior or between early and late construction?
21st December 2015, 06:03 PM
I had a good look at both my cookers and will meet you half way on the fire bars. Neither of my cookers have fire bars but the grate type you have. I would guess now that the fire bars are only for the senior, with the long ones in the boiler and the short ones on the oven as you said. The senior does have the bigger steam bins. I have a couple of the manuals you have but the book I showed above is a history of the Wiles Cookers with a collection of newspaper articles and reports. Lots of photos etc plus a section which is the parts manual reproduced. It has a lot of good historical information. It was produced by Ken Wiles, the son of James Wiles who invented by the cooker. If anyone wants a copy I can provide a photocopy at cost.
21st March 2016, 05:55 PM
Good evening all,
well yesterday I finally managed to get the junior stripped down to a bare chasis. I even managed to recover most of the rego number. It is 16311 and I believe the last number is a 5 based on the remains of the white paint. I was wondering if anyone can give me an idea of the paints to use on the oven and boiler cabinets? Also, the original green appears to be a bronze green very similar to early landrover paint. Does anyone have any ideas what it is or where I may be able to get some? All Contributions are greatly appreciated.
21st March 2016, 05:59 PM
Thought I better include the un retouched photos as well
21st March 2016, 07:29 PM
I've just finished rebuilding the oven I got from Toolern Vale. It needed a new floor in it as it had rusted out from sitting outside for years. Got it sandblasted and welded in a new floor and got it sandblasted. I used stove enamel which doesn't need priming and sticks really well to the sandblasted surface. Says it's good to 1200 degrees. I used the same on two new boiler units I picked up from sandblasting today. The oven was made in 1971 and the boilers in 1972. None of them ever used.
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