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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    FYI.

    the landrover fleet is asbestoes "clean"

    there are 3 potential gaskets that may have asbestoes in them BUT

    1. they are an oil seal gasket and are wet with oil
    2. Are not considered to release friable asbetoes if removed IAW emei's
    3. Not all of that type of gasket are asbestoes.

    the phrase gearbox, oil and pump should point you in the correct direction if you're curious.
    What about "white asbestos" this was only banned from brake lininings in 2003 while brown and blue asbestos were banned in the 80s. Any vehicle built before 2003 is assumed to potentialy have white asbestos, irrespective of the facts of the matter.

    Knowing the DoD RATs (Risk Assessment Teams) they are quite likely to have declared vehicles to contain asbestos when none is present. They did this with the Centurian tank at the RNSWL museum, the covers over the exhaust apertures were described as "grey fibrous material, asbestos". The covers were made from leather.

    AS for not informing people about the Sell & Parker tender, AFAIK when people did become aware the tender was only in final submission phase and not confirmed. Anyone contacted by the company would have been under a commercial in-confidence agreement. That is not to say that they were not working on behalf of other enthsiasts to get the best deal we could out of a company with a profit motive. At least that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101 Ron View Post
    My understanding is the vehicles will be sold directly from Sell and Parker with no middle men.
    Sell and Parker is doing this alone and they have many scrap yards on the east coast.
    The vehicles must be sold with military equiptment removed.
    Some vehicles will require disassembly of the brakes and asbestos brake linings removed or replaced with non asbestos types.
    At present there is only a few 6x6 perenties and one Mack.
    The sell off will be done over many years as the vehicles become advailible.
    light trailers and older perenties will be first with 6x6 perenties next .
    Macks and mogs will be disposed of by sell and parker in coming years.
    I hear a rumour that the M113s will be sold off too, but I suspect not to the public, but for scrap.
    What does the definition of 'military equipment' cover? Ie will it extend to canvas tops, hood bows, roll bars, brush bars, jerry can holders, pintle hooks etc etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark2 View Post
    What does the definition of 'military equipment' cover? Ie will it extend to canvas tops, hood bows, roll bars, brush bars, jerry can holders, pintle hooks etc etc?
    Mil equipment would include, convoy lamps & switching, tactical sign holders, gun clips, front exhaust pipes, radio power distribution boxes, 24V charging system and camo paint scheme.

    The brush guards may be non-ADR compliant because of the front protrusions.

    The, hood bows, jerry can holders and ROP bar could be considered outside the military definitions.

    A number of enthusiasts in discussion with S&P the issue of military vehicle collectors has been discussed and there is a possibility that a small number of vehicles may not receive the de-mil and repaint treatment. They would still require asbestos remediation as a condition of disposal from DMO.

    The M113 can not be disposed of to the public because of treaties with the US relating to US manufactured military equipment, the only option for their disposal is transfer to another approved signatory country or certified disposal to metal scrap. This is already happening to Canadian and New Zealand M113.

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    Australian Defence Force to sell off tousands of vehicles and other war equipment

    Australian Defence Force to sell off tousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au

    AUSTRALIANS will soon be able to own, and use, a slice of military history, as a huge sale of second-hand vehicles kicks off the largest disposal of defence equipment since World War II.

    A vast range of war fighting kit from machine guns to jet fighters and torpedos to warships will eventually be sold.

    Starting in March, up to 12,000 vehicles, including Land Rovers, trucks, semi-trailers, tankers, Unimogs, motorcycles and trailers valued at more than $100 million will be sold by Sydney-based firm Australian National Disposals, trading as Australian Frontline Machinery (AFM).

    Most are about 25 years old with 125,000km on the clock and not a bullet hole in sight, in either khaki or a fetching camouflage paint scheme.

    The vehicle offering will eventually include 3300 Land Rovers and light vehicles, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks, 1100 medium-heavy trucks, 110 semi-trailers and 80 low loaders.



    group buy in an F-18?

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    A vast range of war fighting kit from machine guns to jet fighters and torpedos to warships will eventually be sold.

    Starting in March, up to 12,000 vehicles, including Land Rovers, trucks, semi-trailers, tankers, Unimogs, motorcycles and trailers valued at more than $100 million will be sold by Sydney-based firm Australian National Disposals, trading as Australian Frontline Machinery (AFM).

    Most are about 25 years old with 125,000km on the clock and not a bullet hole in sight, in either khaki or a fetching camouflage paint scheme.
    Military vehicles

    But you can get an all-terrain Unimog.

    They range in quality from rolled-over write-offs to near-pristine vehicles fitted with premium accessories.

    Defence is buying a new vehicle fleet for $7 billion with phase three of the project to deliver about 4600 light to heavy vehicles worth $3.1 billion.

    Over the 15 years, the Commonwealth will also sell hundreds of warplanes, warships, helicopters, armoured vehicles, explosives and weapons as it moves to replace 85 per cent of military equipment.
    Military vehicles

    Four-wheel-drive not enough for you? The army has six-wheel-drive variants.

    The sale of combat equipment is subject to strict rules to prevent it falling in to the hands of potential enemies or dodgy dictators. Countries such as Fiji, Syria, Yemen and Iran, and companies dealing with such regimes, are on the banned list.

    The overall sale of used gear will yield hundreds of millions of dollars that will offset the cost of weapons systems such as new generation submarines and frigates and stealth fighter jets.

    The vehicle offering will eventually include 3300 Land Rovers and light vehicles, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks, 1100 medium-heavy trucks, 110 semi-trailers and 80 low loaders.
    Military vehicles

    Smaller pieces of equipment will also be for sale, as will trailers to cart it all home in.

    The first sale will be held in March using on-line auction house Graysonline when 70 vehicles will go under the virtual hammer.

    AFM has a 12,000 square metre undercover facility at Minto in southwest Sydney where the vehicles will be sanitised, upgraded and stored for inspection by potential buyers.

    Company spokesman Luke Parker said the vehicles would be thoroughly checked for hazardous materials before being sold under open auction conditions.
    Military vehicles

    Or maybe you'll buy too much to fit in a trailer.

    About 1000 will go each year and many of them will be sold with a blue slip for registration and be ready for work.

    "They will be sold unreserved so we expect some absolute bargains will be there for those with the cash on the day," Mr Parker said.

    Defence Materiel Minister Jason Clare said the vehicles would be sold to Australian and overseas buyers to maximise the financial return to the Commonwealth.
    Military vehicles

    And of course, you're going to need fuel...

    "A number of vehicles will be reserved and offered exclusively to community and heritage organisations, including the Australian War Memorial, RSLs and other historical organisations," he said.

    Interested parties can register their interest with the Defence Disposals Agency at Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency or e-mail disposals@defence.gov.au


    THE DEFENCE GARAGE SALE

    12,000 vehicles (3300 Land Rovers variants, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks)

    Up to 24 ships; (Landing ships HMAS Manoora and Kanimbla, supply ship, frigates, barges)

    70 combat aircraft; (F/A-18 Hornet fighters)

    110 other aircraft; (C-130 Hercules, King Air)

    * 120 helicopters; (Sea King, Seahawk, Blackhawk)

    * 600 armoured vehicles; (Armoured personnel carriers)

    * A range of communications systems, weapons and explosive ordnance (M2A2 Howitzers, 30 calibre machine guns, Hamel guns, M60D Machine guns, SLRs, torpedos).



    So now we know who won the contract to sell them... Wonder what the "upgrades" will be before sale - maybe the usual car dealer's trick of spraying the engine bay with clear gloss so things look shinier...

    Notice the very staggered sale to try and keep prices high...

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    Interesting they say the carriers (m113) will be sold I had heard they were for the scrap metal yard Have to wait and see

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    Have we anything left?

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    A mate of mine told me before Christmas that AND won the contract, it's a company half owned by Grays (obviously) but I didn't think they would put them on the website to be auctioned. I thought it would all be done on site like last time with Mannheim.

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    Put me down for the hornet group buy

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    I wonder if we could do a group buy and then lease the gear back to the ADF.

    Thats after they realize they flogged off the wrong gear.

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