Army vehicle disposal

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Originally Posted by pasi

hello fellow auction goers,
Barefoot dave, will you include a section in your guide that explains the auction system? Grays most likely has their tricks that no-one knows, but i think the publication of bids could be clarified to the public. i noticed in a couple instances (eagle farm vehicles) the bids to show very late on the bidding history in regards of their original bidding times. an example; vehicle no. 17 was taken at $7909. two bids at this amount came in at 4:39:47 pm (bid time). the original bid time for the winner was 1:27:42 pm and for the loser 4:29:38. who can explain that?

cheers,

pasi

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There are no tricks in the Grays bidding system, it's just that it's all a bit different to what we've become accustomed to with E-bay.

There are two ways to place a bid, a standard bid or Autobid.

A Standard bid is just like if you were physically standing in an auction room and call out a bid. No matter how much higher than the previous bid, it becomes the new price until outbid in turn (unlike E-bay). Sure, you cold throw in a bid on a GS for $109, but there is no way that will ever get up. Bidding $509 for a Unimog is just a joke. You could fast-track the process by bidding $5009, but still not be certain of winning. You will need to place another bid each time your outbid to stay in the running. However, placing early low bids on a number of vehicles could work to your advantage after you have had the chance to inspect the vehicles on inspection day.

The other type of bid is Autobid. The bid price will only go to an amount to exceed another previous bidders amount, provided it is under the limit you set (same as E-bay). If other later bids are placed by others, the amount will be the same as their bid, but you will remain the winning bid as your bid was placed first (different to e-bay). The winner's time stamp on their bid will be earlier.

At any time, you can increase your bid, even if you are winning at that time, and can place a standard bid or autobid. So in the example above, you could place a standard bid of $5009, then top it up withan Autobid of $8009. You will only be shown as having placed 1 bid (different to E-bay, which will show 2 bids), and will continue to be the winning bidder up to, and including, a bid of $8009.

If another bidder bids $8109 or higher, they then become the winning bidder. You can then place another bid of say $8509, and the time stamp for your bid remains the same as your very first bid. The earlier timestamp works to your advantage in the case of any equal bids, so just like voting, you should BID EARLY AND BID OFTEN!

This is not an unfair set of rules, it's just different. Maybe it does encourage bidders to get involved sooner rather than just be a watcher, and it does prevent "sniping", but ultimately like any other auction, it's always the highest bidder that wins.

thank you kindly for your answer gunner303.

you explain the auctioning system very clearly. i was not aware of how it works. this info is very useful and will really help in future bidding.

cheers,

pasi

Well it did not take long for one to come on carsales

Should have bought the lot of them.:p

I think this is the one that sold for just under 12k less ( costs ) so a very large profit it it sells at that.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/08/468.jpg

Isn't the value of pretty much any commodity what someone is willing to pay for it? would being able to test drive a road worthy car with rego add that much value? maybe yes, maybe no. cousins have plenty in their lot at lower prices.

Pasi, you have a couple of points.
Remember that these are new vehicle to the retail Market, it will take a while for the market to get a 'feel'for them and more stock to adjust the prices.
The vehicle juddy showed isn't just any old GS or FFR.
It is a special Surveillance variant that is designed to travel long distances cross country, one of only 220ish in existence. On top of the normal Perentis spec of Isuzu engine and galv chassis it has;
" § 4 Pin front diff
§ Long range fuel tanks (second 43lt tank under Front Passenger seat, no battery there).
§ 2x double Jerry racks on the rear
§ Enough space to fit a 200lt drum of diesel between the spares for Exxxxxtra long range. NOT recommended!
§ Dual batteries located in Left front bin (like FFR), Right bin is a sealed box for naughty magazines (or other sensitive documents and equipment)
§ Rear power points
§ Originally came with roof racks for a tinny. No, Really! For riverine patrolling.
§ Brush bars on the side
§ Split rims +3 spares (2 mounted inside the ROPS)
§ Dunlop High-Miler Extra grip tyres. Great grip and strong, but LOUD!!!
§ 1 central rear-facing seat
§ Higher ROPS and roofline for rear passenger.
§ 2 Large removable Rear Storage bins where GS has seats.
§ Front bar mounting for Hilift/ Farm/ Wallaby jack. Front and rear bars have cut-outs for lifting points on either side.
§ Jack to suit, in addition to standard hydraulic. Hilift for recovery purposes only, they flex dangerously high before a wheel comes off the ground. Just don’t!
§ Extensive tool kit in addition to standard CES.
§ Under-bonnet mechanical Air compressor with 6m hose. Some have been retrofitted with an electric one.
§ Not 1, but 2 snorkels. A long and a short one for when the screen is up or down.
§ A grass catching cover for the radiator grill
§ Lastly, but by no means least: Power Assisted Steering! Makes cross country work a breeze. Just don’t turn the wheel when stationary or a Transport Sergeant will jump out and make you do 10 push-ups!"


So, you decide if it is worth that much.
Wanting only for Aircon, it is ready for log distance touring with a range of 1500km per refill.
That said, prices ranged from ~$8500-~$18500 for essentially the same quality of vehicle. None were trash, none treasure. All had major to extensive rebuilds in the last 6 years.
A Rebuilt GS just went for $11000 and it was very average on the outside, while an un-rebuilt vehicle went for only $2K less!?
The more I see, the more I realise most buyers have no concept of the vehicles' value.
And yes, the guide is in high gear and set for release in a couple of weeks.
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Originally Posted by Barefoot Dave

And yes, the guide is in high gear and set for release in a couple of weeks.
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and we're all looking forward to reading it !

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Originally Posted by juddy

Well it did not take long for one to come on carsales

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/08/468.jpg

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Note that they have had to use the Auction photos as they cannot even pick the vehicle up from AFM until Monday! I might send them a message and say I will be happy to pay that much but I want to pick it up on Saturday. That's assuming, of course, that the person who placed the ad is actually the winner of the auction item. :o

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Originally Posted by 303gunner

Note that they have had to use the Auction photos as they cannot even pick the vehicle up from AFM until Monday! I might send them a message and say I will be happy to pay that much but I want to pick it up on Saturday. That's assuming, of course, that the person who placed the ad is actually the winner of the auction item. :o

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Or it's not one from an earlier auction.

thanks for the info again barefoot dave,

honestly, can't wait for your guide. how do you know all these specs? ok, if there are 220 vehicles of any type in the world in existence, i suppose that could be considered a very rare commodity. personally i'm not necessarily thinking of restoring one if i ever won at an auction, but i wish these less common types would end up in hands that take care of them and understand their future value. one word, heritage.

cheers,

pasi

303, nice one. Makes a change from me challenging people using others photos to advertise the same product. I've recieved more than one spray from sellers doing this!

Mick, This is definately Lot4 from this week in Townsville, because the winner outbid me. See if you recognise the pics?
Land Rover 110 4x4 Surveillance Soft Top 07/1991 Auction (0004-7003916) | GraysOnline Australia

PS, Price drop by $5000! hmm
Pasi, If I told you where I found this info, I would have to kill you ;)

No mate, the knowledge is out there, you just have to know to the right people.
I have sources that have 30-40years each in RAEME and others with many years as operators of the vehicles.
The hard bit is getting all that info into a manageable format.
Speaking of which, I need to stop chatting here and get back to the grind-stone.