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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Are you suggesting the visor needs to have a SAI Global sticker attached as well, even though it is integral to the helmet?

    They aren't. They're removable.

    Internal, drop down tint is separate as it's not the external visor.

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    I think I've just found it.

    AS1609 Clause 3.1.3 Integral Visor.
    Integral visors shall be capable of being easily opened. Integral Visors shall not be tinted.

    As the integral visor does not conform to AS1609, it therefore does not conform to AS1698.

    But, in John's case, his helmet has two integral visors. The main visor is not tinted but the secondary visor is. I can find nothing in relation to the secondary visor, yet.

    Might need clarification from the manufacturer and SAI Global.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Visit must meet AS 1698, and have visible light of at least 50%..

    Helmets are provided with clear visors and optional tinted (and non AS 1698) visors are avail.

    All visors on my Shoei(s) are removable and the wife has a clear, tinted and a metalised visor for her Arai..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    I think I've just found it.

    AS1609 Clause 3.1.3 Integral Visor.
    Integral visors shall be capable of being easily opened. Integral Visors shall not be tinted.

    As the integral visor does not conform to AS1609, it therefore does not conform to AS1698.

    But, in John's case, his helmet has two integral visors. The main visor is not tinted but the secondary visor is. I can find nothing in relation to the secondary visor, yet.

    Might need clarification from the manufacturer and SAI Global.

    My interpretation of it would be that there is only one Integral Visor going by the below definition....and that is the exterior one which forms 'a single congruous whole' with the helmet. The internal flip down tinted visor would come under 'visor'. So as long as the external visor meets the standard, that would be all that is required. I have two helmets from well known brands, and one cheaper chinese made, that all have the twin shield system, ie...the internal flip down tinted shield...and they all conform to AS1698.


    1.3.2Visor?an eye protector supported in front of the face to provide protection for the eyes and part of the face.


    1.3.3Integral visor?a built-in eye protector forming a single congruous whole with a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    At night I just flip it up and wear my glasses...
    i've been given a warning by the police for doing this.
    bloody stupid law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    i've been given a warning by the police for doing this.
    bloody stupid law.
    Amusing when you can wear a blood bowl only, and no glasses are requried (but obviously necessary)...

    I cant wait for this..

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tgDNPM4IUY[/ame]


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    Hmmm.... Interesting
    Court to hear legal challenge to Victoria Police fines for motorcycle helmet cameras - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


    Did you also know it is illegal to have a dash cam fixed to your windscreen in Victoria?

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    I have a Fibreglass full face Bell helmet that I purchased on the day that Motorcycle helmets became mandatory wearing wearing in NSW. It is currently buried in a pile of stuff in my shed (hard to get to), so would anyone know if this helmet is still legal, Regards Frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    I have a Fibreglass full face Bell helmet that I purchased on the day that Motorcycle helmets became mandatory wearing wearing in NSW. It is currently buried in a pile of stuff in my shed (hard to get to), so would anyone know if this helmet is still legal, Regards Frank.
    Apparently a helmet has a 10yr life span with no impact to the helmet in that life span, although I think that has changed, some manufacturers have a 5yr lifespan now, but I think that is only if the helmet has been used in that lifespan, I would also say your old helmet doesn't comply anymore rather than anything else, plus getting new visors would be impossible.

    With an impact, it's a new helmet required and by impact if you're wearing it(not if you drop it while carrying it) or it comes of the bike on the highway at speed.

    In my opinion Frank and with the techknolegy of new helmets, I'd buy a new one, besides the foam inside the helmet is probably stuffed, the foam and padding in my 15yr old Shoei is.

    I've only ever worn Bell or Shoei on the road, I now have the Bell Revolver Evo Ghost Modular helmet, with the drop down inner visor with a slight tint, the tint is not much darker than the clear visor(light smoke) but it cuts glare pretty well, so far I'm happy with it, means you don't have to carry sunglasses.

    Remember the Bell Ad

    "If you have a ten dollar head, get a ten dollar helmet."

    Baz.
    Cheers Baz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redback View Post
    ... .... ..
    Remember the Bell Ad

    "If you have a ten dollar head, get a ten dollar helmet."

    Baz.

    I remember that ad campaign from the 70's. I don't know how long they continued the slogan and it would have needed adjusting for inflation to still be relevant.

    The success of that campaign has a downside however. It has left a lot of people with the notion that if you pay $1000 for you helmet, you will get one that protects you better and is more comfortable than a $200 helmet.

    Independent Australian testing clearly shows that paying more definitely does not a guarantee a better helmet. Look at the results on this site. CRASH - Test results

    You can pay $829.93 (on special, normally $899.95) for a Shoei GT-Air Wanderer TC-1 Helmet. Specials : Motorcycle Accessories Supermarket, Motorcycle Accessories Supermarket (MCA) is your one-stop shop for Harley, sports bike, & off road bike parts & accessories. Fast shipping.

    You can pay $286.99 for a very fancy version of the Sparx S-07. Zoxoro.com.au | Sparx S-07 Limited Edition Platinum Full Face Helmet Multi Xxl/Xx-Large or $96.05 for a less fancy paint job. Sparx S 07 White Lightning Full Face Helmet XX Large Closeout | eBay

    Yet the cheaper helmet scores 76 for protection and 50 for comfort. The helmet that costs about three times as much (or maybe nine times as much) scores just 59 for protection and 54 for comfort.

    There are plenty of other examples of expensive helmets that offer less protection and are less comfortable (on the heads they used for testing) than some of the cheaper helmets.

    The evidence is clear. You can pay $200 for a certified helmet that scores better on independent tests than a $1000 helmet. If your head is the right shape, it will even be more comfortable.

    So your $1000 head may be just as safe and comfortable in a $200 helmet.

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