Lead Crystal deep cycle batteries

Hey Tim...

Just wondering if u have watched these Youtube clips on Lead-Crystal and if so, what's your take on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-M9zrXSv64&t=47s


I haven't yet watched this one as I've only just seen it pop up, but I assume its in relation the previous one.... so I would throw it up as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J--xiiDKEWw

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

Hi Rich and "NO".


Lead Crystal batteries can not be charged using any standard isolator, including mine.


They have to be charged with a DC/DC device that has a charge capacity of at least 30% of the battery’s capacity, and one that can charge at around 15.1v, or a Crystal Battery will not charge properly.


So if you are looking at say, a 100Ah Lead Crystal Battery, you need something like a Sterling BB1230 Battery to Battery ( DC/DC ) charger.


The BB1230 chargers are a 30 amp unit with a custom setting that can be programmed to charge Lead Cristal Batteries at their preferred charging voltage.


Failing to charge these batteries correctly dramatically shortens their operating lifespan.


I only sell them now as a complete system, with the batteries and correct AC charger and/or correct Battery to Battery charger.


When set up properly, Lead Crystal batteries are brilliant, but unfortunately, to many people have been given ( and are still being given ) the wrong charging info.

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Hi Rob and that clown is one of the greatest con artist to ever make a video about anything to do with vehicle electrics.

He has no idea what he is talking about. In one of his videos, he taps his hand on the Air conditioner compressor and states that this is the alternator on his Toyota.

Please note, there is a very expensive court case happening right now, and until it reaches it’s conclusion, very little can be stated about Lead Crystal batteries. But ignore that creep and his misinformation.

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

Hi Rob and that clown is one of the greatest con artist to ever make a video about anything to do with vehicle electrics.

He has no idea what he is talking about. In one of his videos, he taps his hand on the Air conditioner compressor and states that this is the alternator on his Toyota.

Please note, there is a very expensive court case happening right now, and until it reaches it’s conclusion, very little can be stated about Lead Crystal batteries. But ignore that creep and his misinformation.

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Yeah I understand that, but I was more interested in what the person he was speaking to was saying... whether what he was talking about was valid or not. Apparently he's high up on the food chain for Betta batteries...

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Originally Posted by drivesafe

Hi Rob and that clown is one of the greatest con artist to ever make a video about anything to do with vehicle electrics.

He has no idea what he is talking about. In one of his videos, he taps his hand on the Air conditioner compressor and states that this is the alternator on his Toyota.

Please note, there is a very expensive court case happening right now, and until it reaches it’s conclusion, very little can be stated about Lead Crystal batteries. But ignore that creep and his misinformation.

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Yep, my thoughts exactly Tim ........

I sent ASPW a link to this thread and some other lead-crystal battery links last year to see if he was aware of other, possibly better ways to set up the electrics on his Troopy. I got a long email back which poo-poo'd what I had sent him and was told that he had been doing 4WD electrics for a long time, had an expert working on his car, and that forums and their conflicting opinions were not useful to him at that stage.

Chickens...roosting....or some-such me now thinks. Good luck dude!

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I got a long email back which poo-poo'd what I had sent him and was told that he had been doing 4WD electrics for a long time, had an expert working on his car, and that forums and their conflicting opinions were not useful to him at that stage.

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And the reason "opinions" are not useful to him is because he is a legion in his own mind.

I communicate with Jason, from the first video, on a fairly regular basis and the info in that first video is next to useless as it is nothing more than a promo for a product, and it does NOT go into specific details of how the product needs to be handled to be able to get the best from that product.

Any chance we can know / find out what this court case is about?

Also, some information given by the interviewee in the video is quite useful like for example that lead crystal is NOT advised as a crank battery.

Lastly, I am most curious about the claims regarding lead crystal beeing a form of AGM. Allow me to be clear, what we call an AGM these days is NOT what a lead crystal battery is, but the concept of AGM is used, in a different way, to construct a lead crystal battery.

Thanks!

-P

I am now curious about the practical issues of Lead Crystal vs Lithium seeing you need a specific charger for LC.
now that lithium has decreased in price to mid 600s for 100 AH how does LC compete.?

Drivesafe have you tested any of the new entrants in Lithium that are selling for Mid 600s?

regards Philip A

Hi Philip and no, I have not tested any of these cheap Lithiums.

I was very interested when they first started selling here, but there are now a lot of complaints about the performance of these batteries and the lack of support from the suppliers, so I’m happy I did not touch them.

Do some googling about these “cheap” Lithiums.

The main complaint seems to be about their actual capacity.

One of the cheapos was marketed as a 120Ah, then all of a sudden it is now a 100Ah Battery.

The weights of these batteries also don’t match the “claimed” Ah. They are just way to light for the “claimed” Ah

I am a fan of lithium.
I bought a 22AH lithium for my wife's golf buggy as she was always complaining about the 14Kg weight of her Sonnenshein 24AH battery.
I have had it for about a year and it is performing well covering 27 holes.
It had a hiccup a month or so ago when it died at 18 holes.
I investigated and it turned out that my expensive NOCO battery charger( with Lithium setting) , which I used to replace the $5 charger it came with had died.
I bought some heat sink from Jaycar and attached it to the cheapo charger and it has been going great guns ever since. And it only weighs about 2.5 Kg so has stopped the weight complaints.
Regards Philip A