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    Unfortunately, the link does not go anywhere, but it appears the court case might be over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prelude View Post
    Any chance we can know / find out what this court case is about?

    Also, some information given by the interviewee in the video is quite useful like for example that lead crystal is NOT advised as a crank battery.

    Lastly, I am most curious about the claims regarding lead crystal beeing a form of AGM. Allow me to be clear, what we call an AGM these days is NOT what a lead crystal battery is, but the concept of AGM is used, in a different way, to construct a lead crystal battery.

    Thanks!

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    Looks like the case is over, but the link does not work and provides no additional info.
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    So, I was wathcing ASPW live stream and someone put forth, rightly so, why he switched to lithium all of a sudden and not lead crystal anymore on his new build. His argument was weight, and I can see that, but he also mentioned something about lawyers and not being able to talk about it. I hate this kinda crap but I can understand he does not want to put his neck on the line. I could not let this one go though and I started doing some digging into the how's and what's about this lawsuit. I can't find ANY pertinent information so if anyone here has access down under to some sort of public records thingy I don't know about regarding this court case, I would welcome it

    In any case, since betta batteries seems to be a dutch company, of all places, I can and did do some local digging. Where do I begin...

    First of all, let me start of by saying that I do like lead crystal batteries and from what I have been able to find I am not the only one. Testing by various people have confirmed the tech does work quite well and it would be a shame that because of one problematic supplier we would be robbed of the chance of using this tech.

    Anyway, betta batteries. I know next to nothing about the australian side of things so if anyone, like I mentioned, would care to do the same (public) digging, nice!

    Let's go down the rabbit hole and try and find where these babies come from; spoiler alert: china.

    When you visit the site bettabatteries.com.au you get redirected to www.leadcrystalbatteries.com.au. This domain no longer seems to exists but on it's parent site leadcrystalbatteries.com you will find that "green rhino" seems to be the company who actually produces the batteries or at least supplies them. Home - Green Rhino
    As we can see on this website under the news; they have acquired an exclusive global contract for crystal batteries. I did not check if "crystal" is indeed as they claim, registered. Digging around some more there is a nice PR post which can be found here Green Rhino Announces the Exclusive Global Contract for Lead Crystal Batteries .
    Reading this post we find that they have "Green Rhino Energy Solutions announced today that they entered into an exclusive global distribution contract and partnership for the Lead Crystal Batteries with EGE." Trying to find EGE was a bit more difficult but eventually I indeed found a chinese company who seems to actually build these batteries:
    http://www.chinaege.com/copy_index_085724.html?chlang=&langid=2
    they boast to own a number of patents, which is funny because china... but anyway! moving on. If you click around and select the energy-storage battery tape, lowe and behold http://www.chinaege.com/copy_2_128495_085724.html these battery types and images look pretty damn familiar!

    There seems to be hope yet! The batteries are still being produced and shipped it seems as well, just a different company. Or is it?

    The Dutch chamber of commerce information is freely available so let's see what they know about all this. If we take a look around there are two names/addresses that pop up a lot:
    Apopka, FL 32703 United States and Boteyken 363, 3454 PD Utrecht, The Netherlands.
    this link https://drimble.nl/bedrijf/de-meern/...europe-bv.html, which is in dutch but I am sure you can google translate it tells that:
    • the business was started on 2012-10-23
    • a company called honk invest was added as a board member
    • the capital of the limited liability company was changed to 10 euro's in 2014
    • and in september 2019 this honk was removed from the board members

    when we scroll down we find 7 more companies registered on the same address. Green Rhino pops-up once again So let's see about that Honk then. A quick google found the (public) linkedin page of this man https://nl.linkedin.com/in/eric-van-honk-43a9116 and yes he was managing director of betta batteries and now is the CCO of green rhino. There is also the name Patrick Willemsen. If we dig around a bit we find this https://www.corporationwiki.com/Flor...-P1706512.aspx and it seems that indeed that follows back to apopka.

    We can go into the individual sites, persons, etc. but let's keep it at this for now. The orlando consular corps website for instance is one big open dir and contains a lot of information shall we say.

    I am not sure what to think of all this but the information thus far gathered, all public, nothing slanderous or anything, seems to indicate an interesting story. Btw, it took me longer to type this post than it took me to find this info.

    I'll leave the conclusions to be made by the individual and will return to the original question/problem: what ever happened to betta and how can we keep access to the tech? Well, a quick search finds me a number of addresses locally that still sell the betta batteries but as I understand it, not so in australia. I reckon down here the brand betta will disappear as well as soon as stock is depleted. In australia I did find one company who still seems to carry the batteries: http://www.alphaenergy.com.au/Produc...stal-Batteries they are not betta but simply sell the EGE branded batteries. I am not sure if they are part of the "betta problem" or will continue to carry the batteries, maybe someone local in .au can figure that one out for us?

    Like I said before, I am not on some withchunt to figure out who is to blame, if this is a scam, a shady business or anything else, I just want us (myself included) to have access to this tech! I would not want to invest in a battery technology that is continuously plaged by copyright and patent trolling. I still have a bunch of free gel batteries at my disposal but soon (tm) I will have to replace them and choose a new tech. I do not like lithium as I said and of all the available battery types lead crystal seems to be the best option but if they are not readily available and remain so it would be a bit stupid to go that way

    Cheers,
    -P

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