Thread: Gear selector pattern

It's mostly electronic, so the H pattern is symbolic.

You move from Hi to Lo at Neutral whilst stationary.

An electric motor changes the transfer case and tells you when its done.

There is no CDL, it is a viscous coupling for "automated" CDL when it senses slip between front and rear output shaft speed.

Great in theory but often does not meet expectations

Dave

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

First time poster,
please be gentle---

Whats the go with the 2000 model H pattern gear selector?

I gather just by console design the (Disco)Hi/Lo range shifter cant work.

CDL? Hi/Lo selector is?

I quite like this one,
2000 LAND ROVER RANGE ROVER HSE P38A Cars For Sale in NSW - CarPoint Australia

any obvious concerns?
Have been reading up(and consulting with a Supa P38a expert) on hevacs,
how do I tell if its (they, 5!!!) been replaced?

so many questions,,,

The H-pattern selector is quite cunning and probably the best I've seen or used.

The driver's side is the standard PRNDL pattern (note I said driver's side - not LHS or RHS - that applies for LHD or RHD). When you want low range, you move the gear lever to neutral, then slide it over the pax side.

This operates an electric motor in the transfer case which selects low range. The Message Centre in the instrument binnacle will provide prompt text messages.

Once in low range, the gearbox operation changes (electronic controls), e.g., the Sport button becomes a gear hold button.

There is no CDL as the car has a viscous coupling.

You mention five flap motors, I assume you mena the two temperature control blend flap servos, the distribution flap servo, and the two recirculation flaps motors.

Of these, three servo motors are of concern - actually, only two. The blend flap servo motors which get the most work work - they are moving a lot of the time to conrol cthe in car temps.

The distribution flap servo only operates when air flow is being directed to another location, e.g., floor, screen, etc.

All three come as a harness.

The other two aren't servo motors (they don't have feedback to the ECU to adjust their position). They are the hardest to replace I'm told - I've never done one.

How can you tell if they have been replaced? Not easily. Look for any service records. We've written up instructions on how to replace them at Blend Motor Diagnosis and Replacement

Originally Posted by adm333

It's mostly electronic, so the H pattern is symbolic.

Originally Posted by adm333

You move from Hi to Lo at Neutral whilst stationary.

An electric motor changes the transfer case and tells you when its done.

There is no CDL, it is a viscous coupling for "automated" CDL when it senses slip between front and rear output shaft speed.

Great in theory but often does not meet expectations

Dave

Is this the dreaded "locked" viscous coupling I've heard about?

and its not a good system?

This one was parked on my way to work for a couple of weeks. The rear suspension sagged over the 1st week but not too much.

I do not know if they topped up the air throughout the day.

Its been badged (a few letters are missing on the front) and had a bingle at some point. The front right guard's paint appears mismatched in those photo's. The interior looks more tired (or perhaps its just dirty!) than I would tend to expect for a 2000 model. Get it checked out mechanically by a trustworthy LR mechanic first... perhaps one of the local (to you) people on here could recommend someone. If you can, allow at least another $2-3K in your budget for some clever "refreshes" and possible fixes to ensure you get the pleasurable feelings the seller is telling you all about.

Pedro
I had a good chat with JustinC yesterday about the P38s.
Look for the update,the changeover is 2000/2001.
The give away is the indicators are clear rather than amber,BEWARE may have lens swaps.
The update has the GEMS management,4 wheel traction control rather than 2.
Justin said to thoroughly check for slipped liners.Listen for any knocking sounds when hot,check for extreme pressure in the top hose whilst hot.When cold open the reservior lid,if the level drops there is air displacing coolant in the system.Check the carpets for coolant in the footwells around the blower outlets,a sure sign the cooling system is pressurising and forcing coolant past the o rings in the heater matrix.

Even if all is good expect to have to rebuild the bottom end in the future as its a matter of when not if the liners let go.$4500 for a bottom end rebuild with lipped liners from TRS.

The diffs are good,4 pinion units.Gearboxes are bulletproof,hasnt had and P38 viscous transfer issues.

Im waiting to contact the owner of one advertised in WA for a looksee.
Andrew

Thor/Bosch came with the 99MY (XA). These still had amber indicators. 00MY was the first with clear.

GEMS was 95-98MYs.

I don't believe all 99 onwards has 4 wheel TC. The models below HSE might only have 2 wheel TC.

Heater core O rings are common, with or without cooling system problems.

Front & rear diffs are supposed to be 4 pin on the later cars but AndrewE has found otherwise. All rears are definitely 4 pin.

I thought there was something not good when I checked out the photos on this one, there is a nasty stain in the footwell by the heater. Is this what you were talking about LandyAndy?

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