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Sorry, but I have not understood you. Are you saying the Classic is much better than the Patrol or much worse? My understanding of the towing capacity of the other 4WDs is that they are only 2.5t braked (legally), which might rule them out depending on how big my boat is.Quote:
Originally Posted by superquag
Erik
The most I've towed with mine was 2t and it managed quite easily at freeway speeds. Fuel consumption increased to 18L/100km though.
Erik
I also tow a boat with the p38. It does it brilliantly! My previous boat weighed in around 2.5 tonne and my current boat a bit lighter around 2 tonne. You also get the benefit of changing the tow ball height with the suspension to assist in the coupling of the trailer and later on when you are at the launchin ramp lift up the suspension and the boat slides on/off the trailer easier without having to take the car too far into the water. As a rule I only ever get the tyres wet and not the rims (255/60/18's).
Gary
Eric,
I see what you mean... My fault, scribbled (?) out in a mad rush is my excuse...
I meant the Nissan 4.2 / straight 6 petrol is the far better tow-vehicle when compared to a 3.5 or (my own) 3.9 V8 Classic softdash. I've towed the same load with all 3 cars. (LT230 rangie, mine, and the '95 Nissan)
The Nissan does it better than my 3.9 Classic, in power, fuel thirst and on-road stability. - Without the load, I reckon the Nissan would out-accelerate my heap...and drink less doing it.
But the RR is a great hoon-car, off-road in luxury or daily driver, just not a long-term 'worker'.
Everyone tells me how much better the 4.6 is compared with my 3.9. - (could'nt be any more embarrasing!) - Fuel figures here seem to confirm this.
Towing capacity ? - I suspect this has more to do with whatever the manufacturer is prepared to claim than actual body strength or on-road ability. - Would like to be proved wrong...
And yes, being able to lift & lower the car to match the tow hitch is great, - Priceless if your audience are NissYota owners... :p
.95 Classic softdash with working air suspension.
As a Citroen enthusiast, the air suspension would be a real hit. I like vehicles that go up and down.
I have just driven my first RR, an 89 and I was disappointed. It didn't feel like a state of the art 4WD. It was OK, but my 94 Disco felt nicer.
I also note in my first post that I thought the 93 RR was a P38, whereas they only started in 95? The one I meant was a 95. When did the P38 start and when did the EAS start?
Erik
Go the p38.
Better to drive around town, better on highway and much better than the classic on corrugated roads.
Petrol use from my 97 P38 versus my old 87 classic is in my opinion 30-40% better. My old classic at best returned less than 5 km per Litre whereas the bigger(4.6) heavier and much more comfortable ride P38 returns up to 7.5.
Regarding servicing and problems (they are both Range Rovers) expect to get dirty
The 89 rangie im sure was good for the day, but the wear in the steering, hubs and suspension can make them horrible.
The air sus. started in late 92/93. The p38 was launched in 94, and the last classic was built in 96.
Im pretty sure the longer wheel base of the nissan would make a big difference in towing; im suprised about the power and fuel use though. Dads 4.5 GU is slower and uses more fuel than my 93 - and by a big margin too. Though recently (1st trip in the hse) he tried to chase me on the great ocean road, that was really embarrassing.
Who was embarrased ? - the Nissan or Rangie ?
'Embarrasment' is when one is towing a little 6x4 with a mattress and light odds & ends... and #1 son is driving the bosses 'ranger' with 2.5(?) non-turbo diesel and lugging the full load of tradie gear, plus a huge trailer filled full.... and leaves me breathing his fumes.
He still has'nt shut up about it....:mad::(:mad:
Thanks friends for the advice. I went and had a drive of the 74 classic and ended up buying it. It doesn't have as many bells, but it certainly whistles. The tail gate pops open at speed, because of the rusted out frame and the wind whistles in through the holes in the firewall :cool:
The P38 would have been my preference, but an affordable one was 600 kms away in Vic and this had a rebuilt motor in it, a new clutch and as some have said, is simpler, so... needs a bit of tidying, but I am launched.
Thanks again, Erik
The important thing here Eric is you bought a vehicle worth fixing up / maintaining. To me thats the whole Land Rover default, not disposable in an increasingly disposable world ! Good Luck to you and your 74 CRR
B P38