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  1. #1
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    Eas issues.

    Hi fellow p38 owners.
    My 96 is still going strong and gets well used for its intended purpose.
    Its over 20 years old and needs attention when things get worn as you would expect, however I do still have problems with the EAS .
    Ive re built the valve block always rebuild the compressor and the reason I rebuild the compressor is that it tends to just cycle continuously.
    The system has no leaks in it ,however the pump get the pressure to 130 PSI .The front then lowers letting air from the air exhaust ? Then the pump cycles again pumps it back up .This process is never ending. Has anyone got any idea what can be done or of any good mechanic that knows about this system in esst Gippsland

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    I've had this before on my P38, it's called the slow dance, the compressor runs, then shuts off, the eas makes a few exhaust noises, then the compressor kicks in again, with the front continually going up and down. With the compressor running all the time it would cause premature wear to the piston seal.
    Non-return valves leaking will cause the front to slowly dance, (the 3 valves with the springs in the valve block)
    When stopped the front spring valves open to equalize pressure, if the compressor is running AND the non-return valves leak, compressor discharge will go straight into the front springs.
    Once the front height gets enough out of tolerance the ECU will lower the front end, since there's a leak the tank is likely not full so the compressor continues to run, and the cycle continues.
    I had a faulty non return valve, I couldn't find any non return valves as a part, so I ended up getting a second hand valve block and using that for parts.
    Mine has been fine since.
    The tiny o rings can also pinch and cause problems.
    Hope that is of some help!
    Cheers, Pete.
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    Agree with PeterH, but the dance problem is almost certainly being caused by one or more wheel height sensors sending false or out of range signals to the ECU. So the ECU continually adjusts the other sensors down and if the same fault is triggered in another height sensor the cycle can continue all the way to the bump stops. Air being extracted from an air bag is passed through the dryer (to purge it) and then through the valve block to the atmosphere. I suspect your valve block is an innocent player in this and only doing its job.
    You could also have a hole or tear in one air bag that is only exposed at a certain height.
    If your height sensors are original fit, it would pay to replace all of them. Not cheap, but I've seen their replacement transform a P38. And the new ones will last another 20 years.
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    Pete is spot on with what happened to mine....I rebuilt the valve block and pinched the o ring which gave me exactly these symptoms, refitted o ring and been good since.
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    G’day mate!

    Can I ask how long you monitor the EAS doing this “fill and release”?

    Usual behavior for about 15 minutes of driving is as you describe. If it’s happening after an hour of driving it might be time to do a suspension height calibration, as it could be continuously adjusting.

    The system is designed to switch the compressor off while lowering any spring, otherwise it will discharge this pressurized air out the exhaust.

    Its really good that you have a strong compressor!

    Cheers
    Keithy

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    Thank for all the info guys.
    Ill check the valve block again but this car has been doing this since the day i got it.
    It's Cycles that much that it burnt-out that a m p plug so i rewired it ,only had an Anderson plug and that's lasted for about 6 weeks and that's melted
    I don't mind buying new sensors but then I'd have to buy a diagnostic tool and I'm worried I'm going to spend all this money on this car and still not get the problem sorted.
    Is there anyone close to East Gippsland Victoria that has a diagnostic tool

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    I'm seriously thinking of just disabling the eas system it's the only major problem I have with this car and I'm out of my abilty a bit, I think most people are

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    If you plan on keeping the beast .the diagnostic tool is the 1st port of call . It will save a lot on unnecessary work.

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    I bought a Nanocom as soon as I got my P38A- best thing I ever did. I know some on here with D3/4s have got a manual setup for emergencies. Fits schraeder valves into each airbag line, and you set the pressure manually. Could be a solution for you. But, having driven a D3 with air, and one with springs, I'd personally give the springs a wide miss.
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    G`day ,

    if you have a laptop etc you don`t need to spend much for EAS diagnostics that you can do yourself .

    Not the kicker the lead ob11 , usb , disc etc .

    RSW solutions have the software free to download



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