Thanks Paul, web page updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulP38a
Steve
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Thanks Paul, web page updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulP38a
Steve
Arrived in the post, another job to add to the list. Looks like a great little kit.
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HSE30 - Firstly, thanks for bringing this issue up in the first place. I realise that your original thread is well-aged by now - it jogged my rather rusty memory with regards to internal memos - ones which were to NEVER to 'see the light-of-day', under potential dismissal order if they did...ain't there anymore though, am I :twisted:
There's also a 'shelf-life' on the main ABS control-block (master cylinder & pump), of 10-years - including those sitting on parts departments shelves. Essentially, every single ABS pump/control block/master cylinder fitted to any/every Range Rover between (at least) 1995 and 1999 - the operational &/or shelf life is a maximum of 10-years :( All required rebuilding; whether used or not, & it also included those still sealed in their hermetically-sealed packs...PLEASE - DO NOT OVER-REACT!! This was an internal LRA-directive, originating from Sollihull - whom we all know also practiced (particularlyat the time I speak of) the '11th Commandment' wherever a problem might be considered 'widespread' :p ...personally did a lot of 'Goodwill' warranty repairs to LR's well-outside their warranty parameters, because of same - so no need for additional concern, I believe ;)
Something that caused many, many headaches (ghost-in-the-machine-faults) with electrical faults in bothe RR's, Disco's & Defenders were ANTS sealed inside the relays - seald-in during the manufacturing process :censored: Don't know how widespread the problem was, but I know of quite a few fuel pumps, coil packs & instrument clusters got R&R'ed under warranty (then either didn't get through the road-test, or were back in a week, etc.), only to eventually be tracked to well-fried ant-bodies bridging relay-contacts intermittently, or not allowing circuit-close - take ya pick :mad: I spent 14 hours clocked-on to a WA RR with 'a fuel-pump intermittent fault' - the owner like to actually use his 4wd, so got on angles most Rangies never saw/see. It nearly drove me spare, & the warranty officer was nearly beside himself with "...how can I claim this many hours ?!?", & other statements containing words that ya don't hear on Walt Disney movies :angel:
...& then there was the 'permanent super-lockout' states, which entailed a very short, custom padded, insulated hacksaw blade - & even shorter blade strokes - & 0.75-hours per striker :censored:
This is fascinating! Glad you survived:eek:... IIRC "Spy Catcher" also kept a low profile in Tasmania for years then told all! :angel::wasntme: :Rolling:Quote:
Originally Posted by extech22089
I thought the shelf life was related to the accumulator (which a new ABS pump came with).Quote:
Originally Posted by extech22089
Everything else ABS related should be fine.
...if I can get this through, then I can reply :D
BY ALL THE GODZ - I CAN REPLY :D
Scouse - please refer to my long-winded response that I had to put in the 'Introductions' thread-thingy. I had 3-4 goes at responding to Your statement/query, but wasn't able to get past the log-in-watchdog (in spite of being logged-in, & with confirmation of same...dunno if I can get my response over to here where it should be - this is the first-time I've ever used an online-forum (does faecebook count anymore?) ;) Yeah, I know what I mean :D ...dunno how to use the 'quote' thing on 'ere yet either, come to think of it...
Scouse - Try as hard as I might, I cannot get past the 'you have not logged-in, & you need to to reply' guard-dog on the P38A Rangie Thread. I've been sporadically trying to reply to Your post since last night, but it has been deemed highly-unlikely by the TECH-GODS at this time...technology & I have had a very chequered past, so I don't see how posting online would be any different - I'm good with hammers, & had a fine selection :D
...in response to Your reply - down deep in the vaults of obscurities that my memory has become, there lurks somethin' about a poor-selection of lubricant during manufacturers-assembly, combimed with a poor engineering &/or materiel decision...a situation similar to the one created with the R380 output-shaft & the LT230 input gear - a calamity of global proportions - one which saw myself putting through the 50-tonne press no-less than 120 gearboxes,& all under the gaze of the warranty-officer... poor bugger :confused: The accumulator was definitely an issue - from a shelf-life perspective - but it wasn't isolated to only it. Again, it was a poor selection of assembly &/or 'stand-by' lubricant that created issues in quite a few of the brake components...I wish that I could remember with more clarity & at will, unfortunately it no-longer works like that in my memory & I have to take what I get when I get it. Suffice to say, I would eye any brake component with mild suspicion from that era, especially if it's never seen the light-of-day.
LR did leap all over this & a lot of other issues as they arose, & to Their credit went well-beyond what almost any other major marque would consider reasonable. The biggest problem though, was the words "...upon owners' complaint..." - leaving the lions' share of onus on the shoulders of those who bought the vehicles to detect :o
I got to know only a handful of owners, & that was only because they had insisted that they talk to the tech who worked on their vehicle. Even rarer-still, the owner who insisted on the same tech EVERY time they presented with either a fault, or just for routine book-servicing...after some of the dodgey BS I saw (& had to try & fix afterwards) come down the runway, I'm surprised that there wasn't more 'personalisation' between dealerships, owners, service centres, & technicians (heh heh heh - loves dem fancy words for spanner-monkeys ;) )
...my point being - 'intelligent-enough' to be able to afford these vehicles from new did not (& probably still doesn't) translate to 'trained/skilled-enough' to know the definitive difference between normal-operation & otherwise. When I swing-back to the original-opic (apologies for the digression, folks), the same still exists. Even Sollihull was unaware of this/these problems until the less-than-happy owners started to appear at service departments (sometimes with the Landy on a tilt-tow - they were in a cab). Many of those parts may have escaped an internal recall, particularly from smaller parts departments & distributors - just sayin' :(
Another example was that short elbow (?) hose on the drivers'-side - think it was part of the heating-bypass system (Discos, I think). Saw a few cooked V8's & the ZF4's bolted to 'em that were replaced under warranty - again under LR's Goodwill-Policy. As far as Rover was concerned, that hose shouldn't have failed within that time-frame, so they replaced the engine & transmission for the owner (who had cooked the lot because they tried to self-diagnose without stopping...those temp-senders don't usualyy take accurate readings off steam :confused: )
As I go, I know that I'll find issues with my RR-P38, but I expect to with a Euro-Spec luxury vehicle that's knockin' on the 20-years-old door. That's just a given, but I'll be checkin'-out these forums on this site, because this intel is PURE-GOLD in here...especially Safety-Issues like catastrophic-failure of braking systems :(
G'day.
Without reading back thru the whole thread, is one of these brake modification kit thingy's still available for me to purchase ?
I would like to fit one to our 98 HSE, The Bitch.
Don't like the idea of the brakes failing due to crap plastic parts.
Ta.
Russel in Julatten (spelling) still does them. I think his number is listed earlier in the thread.
