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Originally Posted by adm333
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What he said +1Quote:
Originally Posted by adm333
sorry VladTepes ...perhaps i should have started another thread... the argument this time is not about ride quality as such (that was a 2008 post...), but a suggestion from a recent post in Rangerovers.net that simply swapping airbags out for coils falsely assumes they behave the same and takes no account of engineering safety... the " poster" notes that two recent rollovers may have been directly related to coil conversions because the coils are located too far inward for proper stability when located in the airbag position...
PLUS he raises the valid point of potential rejection of insurance claims because of non-authorised changes to the factory design...
:eek:
thesaurus award of the month to RB... you're correct Ron...they certainly kissed their P38's goodbye!!;):p
Mr Moderator: this seems to be a potentially significant issue both from safety engineering and insurance ...does it warrant a separate thread?
The stupidist thing to do with a P38 is to swap to coils.
Why would anyone want to do that?
The system is quite simple once you know about it.
Its easy to fix, once you know it.
Why do trucks run air suspension?
:D:D (Except for the apostrophe in P38's :mad: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoges
now now ladies and gents i explained my reasons earlier why i converted ,as for ride /fit decent shocks ,i noticed instant improvment but air best still .as for roll over like vmystikilv says ,yet to do in mine and i dont pussy foot when i drive even around courners love throwing mine around them with 4wd grip magic ,but again not lifted but std height coils and low 65 not 70 or 85 size tyres .as for handleing went around eastern creek raceway at high speed around corners ect does lean on coils ,were air pumps to keep level but still grips like on railway tracks .good thing you have a choice with p38a (dam no leaves),another good thing is this site gives answers to people who havent had both /i have .ps got towed out by disco 2 with rasied coils and 85 tyres and he hasent rolled yet .i think that p38a driver on L plates OR HIS tyres and shocks must be worn out to do that at that low speed ./////// ps hey aussie did you see that photo of p38a on its bump stops /every time i drive past it this last month i think to my self sxxxxr.
Touché :DQuote:
Originally Posted by p38arover
My thoughts,
I absolutely love the EAS, but at the moment its giving me the ****s. I have spent countless hours trying to solve the problem's and leaks. And yes the only thing not replace is the air harness and ECU.
Now, if I was paying a mechanic $60-$80 per hour, I would be quite ready to switch to coils to avoid the costs.
I personally don't agree to changing to coils, due to the issues raised such as legalities, insurance, etc... But the cost of having someone spend so many hours fault finding must be huge. It is my understanding the you also cannot get castor correction bushes for the P38??? So lifting +2" would be quite deadly on the road.
I have played with my settings and have now realised why the EAS lowers out of extended height at 70km/h. Above this speed, the castor is such that it creates major oversteer, similar to my disco after the 2.5" lift.
If it's engineered and properly set up coils should be fine, but cannot be expected to provide anywhere near the ride quality of the Air Suspension.
Stu
Do you know what has really affected the ride in mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by 81stubee
The change to 18" rims. The 16" rims have a higher profile tyre so they absorb the road shocks better.
You wouldn't think it would make much difference but I reckon it has.
Yes, but do they look as good as a nice set of 18's?:cool:
I don't think many people realise the difference (bad ride) that the 18's make, myself included. There was a discussion on rangrovers.net about how the rim size can affect the alignment. And apparently they wander more. I rang up AMV to say I had a wandering problem, he immediately asked whether I had 18's and had just had an alignment done? Reckons the 18's need slightly different toe setting.
Apparently it's all to do with the weight, balancing, tire type etc...
Me have two hands and build stuff :bangin:. I like to leave that to the so called "experts".
Stu
quote: Yes, but do they look as good as a nice set of 18's?
Ah ha! that's the problem... "Powerpoint syndrome" a.k.a " image over substance" ;) ...can't believe LR people wouldn't have done lotza testing to get the best compromise...:wasntme:
BTW... like you, I spent ages to find the elusive leak...even got a new valve block :(......finally traced it in both blocks to faulty seating of o-rings in the 3 non-return valves (even after replacement :eek:) ... they take a hec of a hammering... cleaned o-rings' sealing edges and valve seats with cotton buds dipped in white spirit... excellent results. Now holds its height for several days at a time (+/- 3-4mm) when parked...and no more dancing at the traffic lights!