Thread: P38 4wd Ability - newbie question

Hi Big Guy,

How to tell slipped liners - milky oil???

OK - what do you think is a fair price for a 99 4.6 HSE less than 180,000km
In good cond
In average cond

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And how low to go?

16K --> 20K

My Dad has a 2001 HSE with the Bosch EMS and I have the 97 with GEMS.

I know what everyone says about reliability etc etc, but there is a noticible difference driving one over the pther and I prefer the GEMS - its more of a rumbly V8.

I would go for as late as possible 98/99 before the change over.

And definitely an HSE. An SE is like having the cake but with no cream or icing.

I have a 2001 HSE, I threw some Coopers tyres on it and now, standard it can go anywhere and do anything my mates 100 Series Landcruiser with all the mods under the sun!! Traction control takes a bit to get used to though.. you kind of point it in the right direction put your foot on the accelerator and let it do its thing... It is tuff though finding aftermarket stuff for them eg Bullbar and tyre carrier and when you do find them (on this site) they're not cheap!!

Rick

Hey ADM333,
Has your GEMS given you trouble are they right?

Originally Posted by tasi devil

are snorkels available for them ?

Originally Posted by big guy

Yes

Really ?
I'd be interested in some details .

For a 99-02 Bosch HSE in Excellent Condition < 200k would offer 14-15
For a 98 GEMS HSE in Excellent Condition < 200k would offer 12-13

Both GEMS and Bosch motors had the same liner/block problem, so its not worth taking a risk paying to much. If either has new motor + 3g. Look suspiciously at new radiators/hoses, might be covering up a liner prob, like mine.

I paid 13000 for my 97, body was immaculate full service history, never been offroad, always serviced by the same mechanic, I was quite happy with this amount but the owner did a shifty and put bars leaks in it, b4 fleaing the country. Looks like I have a cracked block.

IMHO the main problem with these cars was LR's appalling build quality, thats why when BMW tightened the ship up the later ones were supposedly better. The only parts made by Lucas is the GEMS ECU, BeCm, and the EAS. The rest of its made my valeo (french). I really don't think they are that bad. In 1995 when these things came out it was a bold step by LR to control everything by one computer. They have their own version of a computer network, with a data link to each front door, cluster, Gear Lever, Power window switches etc... For example in the disco, each power window switch has an 8 way plug, Times that by 4 and you have 36 reasonable size wires going to the window switches, the P38 has 8 tiny wires, and it also controls the sunroof and mirrors. Now days there are many smaller ECU's connected by one network called CAN.

Tasi Devil - The auto would be quite good off road as it has a manual function in low range. It will select any gear you say and stay in that. It also locks up the torque converter clutch for maximum engine breaking.

Remy - EAS Tools SourceForge.net: Range Rover - EAS - Reset instructions are in the readme file for the cable. No definitive way to differentiate a liner/block problem from a head-gasket without stripping the motor.

Symptoms -
Hard Hoses (pressurised)
Hard Hoses pressurised in the morning (air escapes when removing cap)
Misfire after hot Shutdown
Slow Coolant Loss
Test for exhaust gases in the Expansion tank

Stu

Originally Posted by Remy

How to tell slipped liners - milky oil???

The first symptom is usually a misfire on cold starts when the coolant leaks into that cylinder.

Then you'll notice coolant loss & wonder where it's going.